Friday, April 20, 2018

"Smallville" Actress Arrested in "Self Help Guru" Scandal

[PADA: Self styled guru -- and sex scandal. Who knew this could happen! Apparently, this guy had various disciple - like "servants" helping along his program. Fanatics? Isn't this what has been happening on GBC guru scandal loka? Did we forget to mention, some GBC guru types are promoting various "self help" style programs? An Indian businessman friend of PADA's said recently, all that people really have to do is to read the books of Srila Prabhupada -- if they truly want -- to help themselves.  ys pd]

Wednesday, April 18, 2018

Chef Gordon Ramsay to Try Vegan Style

Yet another Bhagavad Gita?

By Garuda das (Graham M. Schweig). I am told he is also taking disciples. He can absorb sins like Jesus? And Garuda das is the best person we have to tell the GBC not to use the Jayadvaita version? It does seem like another level of exploiting the legacy of Srila Prabhupada going on here. Meanwhile, the GBC has sued the devotees and locked up Srila Prabhupada's books at the printers in India. You can however get theirs and their pal's books, no problem! ys pd 

Sunday, April 15, 2018

Visiting Akshaya Patra Vrndavana (video)

RE: Kailash Chandra (by Eric Johanson)

Kailash Chandra dasa

Eric Johanson: Puranjana prabhu, Pranams, Jaya Srila Prabhupada. I am no longer with Kailasa Candra dasa, although I don't expect you to believe it. A couple of years ago I posted this real history of the cows on a site I manage. Either you ignore it or haven't seen it.

During his stay at Mt. Kailasa Farm from 1986-88 Kailasa Candra dasa initially allowed a couple of would-be disciples to treat him as their prospective guru. Bhakta Eric also later got caught up in the fervor. Kailasa Candra dasa went so far as to write his own Sanskrit pranam mantra which was then used when the would-be disciples offered him or the Deities obeisances. At one time there were as many as four possible disciples, and they were all given Sanskrit names by him. Bhakta Eric’s was Riktaharsan dasa.

The names are what led Puranjana dasa, who had been sharing an apartment with Kailasa Candra dasa in 1986 when he moved to the farm, to tell others and later write on his PADA website that Kailasa Candra dasa had initiated bhakta Eric in secret. By the time the farm was sold in the summer of 1988, bhakta Eric was the only would-be disciple left. When the ordeal ended later that year, Kailasa Candra dasa told him that he never intended to initiate any of the would-be people, and that he had only done it to entertain their misplaced desires.

Another rumor circulated by Puranjana dasa was that Kailasa Candra dasa and bhakta Eric had allowed the farm’s cows to be sold for slaughter. As is often typical of Puranjana dasa, however, he gave practically no evidence for this. In 1988 bhakta Eric received an inheritance from his grandmother and used the money to buy a used Ryder moving van. The roof was temporarily removed from the rear and a hefty livestock gate installed. Seven or so cows and calves were taken by night to Paramesvari dasa’s land in Oregon. He also received $5,000 and promised never to allow them to be slaughtered.

The dangerous bull Bhima dasa was initially boarded at a veterinarian in Petaluma, Ca. and later taken in the truck to an animal sanctuary near Dallas, Texas. On the trip Bhima dasa was quite happy to recognize bhakta Eric, and that someone from the farm was seeing to his welfare. Although quite large for a brown Swiss, Bhima dasa was puny compare to the vet’s Guernsey studs, whose bellows could remind one of dinosaurs.

The other half of the farms cows were taken by Ken and Merrill Snell (Advaita Acarya dasa and Madana Mohan dasa), two other so-called disciples of Hansadutta dasa who retained directorship of the Mt. Kailasa Foundation, the original non-profit of the farm that Hansadutta dasa had taken over in 1978. When the farm was sold to settle its bankruptcy case in 1988, the Mt. Kailasa Foundation and The Vaishnava Foundation split the approximately $80,000 that remained after the creditors were paid.

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PADA: This is great, of course when many people asked Kailash about these cows for many years, they never got a proper response, or maybe no response. Then again Kailash is living like a hermit, its hard to find any way to communicate with him at all, period. Neither does he communicate responses to his site from the experience of some folks. 

I never said the cows had been slaughtered for sure or not, that was what some folks here in Berkeley speculated. I simply said the cows are MIA according to some local Berkeley devotees, and so is the money Kailash took for the cows. I said what happened is, the people here never got any proper accounting of the cows, they simply vanished and so did Kailash, and so did the money, thus some people presumed the cows ended up in bad hands. 

MIA things often are assumed to be in bad hands? 

I have posted questions about these cows on my blogs and sites for decades now, and also tried to send messages to Kailash, but he is sort of like a hermit and its hard to locate him apparently. We never got any response to our repeated stories on this issue and assumed or presumed, there was no good explanation? I am glad some explanation has finally come forward and I will explain that to some of the local people here who never got any explanation previously. 

Kailash apparently wrote a "ritviks are bogus" paper for the GBC, that is what Trivrikrama swami advertised at least for some time. I have not seen that verified, however his other papers seem to be of the same exact tone and tenor, so I presumed Trivrikrama was correct. Actually the Trivrikrama paper and Kailash's own papers are pretty much identical wording, not many people write in his excessive verbiage style. Anyway, we will post this clarification, of course many will wonder why this was not done a long time ago. 

Of course many GBC guru folks quote the Kailash site and links to me even today, so its self-evident he is arguing the same thing they are, otherwise they would not cite him as their authority as a number of them do even up to now. I am also glad Kailash has finally moved to Moab Utah so he can associate exclusively with the ritvik followers of Jesus. He has found his home, he lives with the ritviks and no one else.

ys pd

Friday, April 13, 2018

World's Ocean Currents "Weakest in 1600 years"

Kailash Chandra Das "Flaws in the Ritvik Concoction" (pt. 1)

Guru Tattva Meister of the Jagat Kailash Chandra Das

Cattle rustling-pada:

From an IRM paper (with PADA comments) 

Kailasa Chandra Dasa (pictured above), has written one such paper called “Flaws in the Rittvik Concoction” (FRC), which can now be added to the long list of papers by the GBC and others, which consist of nothing more than ‘straw-man’ arguments, or challenges against a phantom position rather than that actually put forward by the Prabhupadanugas. Consequently these papers spectacularly fail in challenging the actual ritvik position. 

Another characteristic of such non-existent ‘challenges’ is that in the main they do not even attempt to substantiate their assertions by quotes from Srila Prabhupada. Rather they simply wave the magic wand of stating terms such as ‘sastra’, ‘tradition’ etc., and claim their conclusions are proven simply by the mere utterances of these words. 

[PADA: Right, the Gaudiya Matha folks, GBC, Hanuman Croatia, Kailash, Rocana, Torben, Kim Moller, Ajit Krishna, and similar others complain that because the "Prabhupadanugas" are worshiping a so-called physically departed pure devotee, they are "not following the tradition." OK, so we need to worship the "living body" of their conditioned soul acharyas and not worship the pure devotee? The "tradition" is to worship less than pure devotees as one's acharya? 

How is that working out for these folks? 

Did we forget to mention that many of the previous "living gurus" of their process -- like Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda, Suhotra, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja and many similar other alleged "living people" eventually departed anyway? Did these people forget, no one stays on this planet for a long time in any case whether conditioned souls or acharya's souls? 

Thus, their "living body guru" will cease to exist at some point, and then they have no one to worship anymore. And then their living guru's programs tend to disintegrate and fall apart, as we have seen locally and in other places. And what about their "living gurus" who failed and / or blooped, like Gunagrahi, Ramesvara, Hansadutta, Bhagavan, Prithu and many others? 

Again this policy is creating major chaos in the lives of the ISKCON citizens when the "pure devotee" is found to be fallen. Notice that nowadays most of the living guru advocates do not even give us the name of their living guru, because then we could analyse who this person is, what positions he has supported, and who voted him in as the current acharya etc. Torben for example says he worships the principle of a living guru, and not an actual living guru? That is the tradition? We offer bhogha to the principle of a guru, and not any actual guru? Where is this found in the tradition?] 

“The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.”
(CC, Adi, 12:10)

This means that before we act we must have an order from Srila Prabhupada to do so. Attacks on the phantom ‘ritvik’ position however involve appealing to some undefined and unquoted notion of ‘sastra’ or ‘tradition’, rather than orders from Srila Prabhupada. In the following rebuttal to Kailash Chandra’s FRC paper we will see how his paper consists basically of nothing but the use of these two techniques - the use of lazy mythical ‘ritvik straw man’ arguments, and the use of the ‘sastra / tradition’ magic wand instead of orders from Srila Prabhupada to support his assertions. Quotes from FRC will be boxed in speech marks with my responses following. Kailsh Chandra will be known as the ‘author’ throughout.

KCD: “The rittviks--although they may, for their own purposes, say that a spiritual master could emerge in the future -- in fact consider that all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples are only, at most, capable of being rittviks. Such "stand-ins" cannot be advanced devotees, obviously. In practical terms, the rittviks consider all others to be, more or less, perpetual kanishta-adhikaris, like themselves.”

So the very first statement from FRC starts with a classic ‘straw man’ argument. We state that we all should and can become pure devotees, providing we follow, rather than disobey, the orders of Srila Prabhupada, regardless of what these orders are.

“A madhyama-adhikari can be a diksa-guru or regular guru and can initiate his own disciples.”

[PADA: Amazing, after these "living guru" folks produced various illicit sex, debauchee and / or drug addict gurus, and indeed made a number of these false gurus left, right and center, now they are talking about how their alleged gurus are medium level / madhyama level devotees. Sorry, the illicit sex guru parade is not even kanistha level. Illicit sex and drugs are tamasic guna and not even kanistha. If they have produced so many madhyama or perhaps uttama gurus, who are they?]

Srila Prabhupada states this should NOT be done, and gives the reason why:

“One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari. A neophyte Vaishnava or a Vaishnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance.”
(NOI, Text 5, purport)

[PADA: Right, a madhyama should not be accepted as a spiritual master anyway.]

“Now, the rittviks obviously believe that there are no madhyama-adhikaris amongst Srila Prabhupada's remaining disciples. Or they think that madhyama-adhikari is attained at a level that is still below the threshold of diksa-guru qualification, or that it's the (so-called) madhyama-adhikari that automatically converts to a Rittvik (Rittvik-for-perpetuity?) after the mahabhagavat enters nitya-lila pravishtha.”

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says a disciple must be careful to accept an uttama as his guru. He does not recommend madhyama devotees being gurus. Of course, since all of Srila Prabhupada's original disciples are gradually becoming very elderly and they are dying out, its a mute point what level they are at since they are not going to be here "for perpetuity" -- or even much longer. 

Whatever level they are at no longer really matters much? They are not going to be here for long, what to speak of "for perpetuity" and especially since none of them to date has displayed the qualifications of an acharya. The mass of people are still going to need to worship a mahabhagavata either now, or after all these disciples and assorted followers physically depart in any case. This is a very foolish idea from the get go, we will worship the original disciples of Prabhupada, when they are departing left, right and center. We could not worship these original disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada in perpetuity in any case, they are leaving the planet more and more every day.]

The qualification of the disciples is not the issue. The orders they received are. They received an order to act as ritvik. But they did not receive an order to transmogrify from being ritvik into diksa Gurus, and therefore should have remained ritviks, since as quoted earlier, it is the order of the spiritual master which is the ‘active principle’ in spiritual life. Not our desires to occupy the Guru post.

[PADA: Right, what happens when a neophyte takes the post of diksha guru and absorbs sins? He falls down, gets sick, and maybe dies prematurely, as we have seen already in spades.]

KCD: “None of Srila Prabhupada's directly initiated disciples is obligated to believe that there was even one legitimate madhyama-adhikari amongst his flock after he departed. The track record strongly indicates otherwise. But, if there was one -- or even more than one -- that devotee or those devotees could become diksa-guru (and not merely a Rittvik) after Prabhupada departed. This, of course, would be contingent upon their having received the order from Srila Prabhupada to initiate new disciples, and those new disciples would then become "the disciples of my disciple."

[PADA: OK someone could become a guru if he gets the order. However he will not get the order until he is an uttama devotee.]

Finally FRC states something approaching the truth. The author admits that:

a) We do not need to accept that any of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples was qualified to act as diksa Guru.

b) That the track record indicates that none of them were thus qualified.

c) But if some rare soul did exist who was qualified, he could act as diksa Guru only provided he received the order to do the same from Srila Prabhupada.

Kailash never produces in the rest of his paper, or elsewhere, the ‘order’ from Srila Prabhupada to his disciple or disciples that they initiate new disciples, who would become ‘disciples of my disciple’, then according to the author, there was no order from Srila Prabhupada which necessitated the ritviks to change their position into diksa Gurus.

“For the many of Prabhupada's disciples who have concluded that no one was qualified to even be a regular or monitor guru, your conviction looks more accurate every passing year. […] After so many guru falldowns and "re-initiation" ceremonies, these new people have concluded that all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples must be nothing better than kanishtha-adhikaris.  Actually, that's a liberal perspective. There's very possibly any number of sahajiyas, covert impersonalists, atheists, and non-devotees in the mix as well.”

[PADA: OK, so why would we keep promoting the living guru process knowing that its not only failing, its producing deviants, sahajiyas, covert impersonalists, atheists and non-devotees in the role of ISKCON's acharyas? Why would we still promote the idea that Srila Prabhupada is not the acharya, and the people producing all this rubbish -- are the acharyas of ISKCON? 

And if Srila Prabhupada is not the acharya, who is? Notice that when we ask Rocana, Torben, Ajit Krishna, Kim Moller, Hanuman Croatia etc. -- whom  do we offer the bhogha and disciples to, they cannot answer. They do not even know how to make simple and basic bhogha offerings to Krishna, never mind more advanced items. And Kailash is not helping things by telling  folks, its not in the tradition to offer bhogha and disciples to pure devotee. ys pd] 


We have to offer bhogha and disciples to -- conditioned souls, or worse, nobody they can name? Kailash is right, these people are mayavadas.

Monday, April 9, 2018

Man vs Mother Nature (Steve Cutts Film)

Gopis become an elephant

A rare Picture of Gopis formed an elephant for Krishna to ride on.....that lila takes place the village of Kunjera which is just one mile from Sri Radhakund's north.

When Krishna was leaving Vrindavana, the gopis entreated him not to leave. Krishna put an impossible condition on them and said that if they could produce an elephant, he would not leave. Not being able to find an elephant, nine gopis came together and formed an elephant and this is called 'Navanarikunjara.'

Do women have equal rights to men in ISKCON? (Video)

[PADA: The "women of ISKCON issue" is, as she says, "a hot topic." Well for starters, if some of our women had more input, or had even been more in charge of the gurukula's children's situation, then things would have turned out MUCH better for these children. Many women aided us in complaining about all sorts of deviations, and these dissenting women were treated like us -- shunned, minimized, harassed, driven out and so forth. 

Now Bhakti Vikas swami says women as a group should be "mothers and not masters," ok maybe, but what happens if these women are way ahead of the "men leaders" in realization and practical management understanding? What happens if some of these women have mastered the issues and topics better than a lot of these so-called men? And what if these women know more about raising children and how to make a proper school for the children than a lot of these men leaders?

She says some of the gurukula children were subjected to homosexual activity, ok and that is what happened under the GBC / Bhakti Vikas swami guru's regime. Why didn't BVKS and his other GBC "men" fix the problems with their program way before it had to go to court? And why is Hanuman Croatia supporting these BVKS people, knowing full well that these wonderful "men leaders" made a homosexual infiltration into ISKCON and its schools, and this program SUPPRESSED the women, children and families process?  

As for her idea that we should not find dirt on the leaders and publish that like the National Enquirer, well that has unfortunately been the only means of addressing these crises, such as the gurukula abuse issue. We had to come out in public and make people aware of these problems in public, or else the issues never would have been discussed much less resolved.   

She says women like Yamuna were forced into exile and living separated from the society by these men leaders. Right, the homosexual, sexual predator and abuser process could not have gone on without suppressing the people who opposed that agenda. Now our friend ISKCON's Mahatma das seems to be in favor of women gurus, but he is only going to make the women who are subservient to his illicit sex guru program into his "women gurus?" Regular women need not apply? And how are these neophyte women going to be able to absorb sins and be diksha gurus -- any better than the men GBC gurus who are failing and suffering from taking the sins of followers?

This site has some good stuff, but still says the GBC guru process is authorized. Nope. Anyway, her video is right, the movement is stagnated and dying out without the women, children and families participating on all levels, including getting their input into the management. ys pd


Meanwhile, are some of these gurus repressed sexually, which explains why they artificially try to repress women?

Sunday, April 8, 2018

Demons and karmis in disguise (Nityananda das)


Kali-Chelas - disguised as devotees

Download: demons-and-karmis-in-disguise.pdf

Srila Prabhupada: "There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga."

Srila Prabhupada: "If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master."



(1). Devotee: “Can demons become devotees?”

Prabhupada: “Of course – by chanting Hare Krishna and agreeing to serve Krishna. And devotees may temporarily fall down and act like demons. That independence is always there.” (Lilamrita Ch. 26)

(2). Prabhupada: This is also another Vedic civilization, that if you are benefited by somebody, you should always remain obliged to him. Siksito yad-anugrahat. There is one Bengali proverb, guru-mara-vidya. “Guru, you learn from him first of all, then kill him. Don’t care for guru.” This is demonic. By the grace of guru you learn something. Then when you learn something, then you become greater than him, don’t care for guru. This is demonic. Even if you have learned something, you must feel always obliged, atah padarsayat(?) (SB lecture Oct. 4, 1976)

(3). Prabhupada: “If anyone strictly follows the regulative principles of Krishna Consciousness then he will always remain enthusiastic and dynamic. So if there are any defects within our Society it is only a symptom that the instructions of the spiritual master are being neglected. Follow my instructions strictly and always think for giving this gift of Krishna consciousness wherever you go and to whomever you meet, this is the advice of Lord Chaitanya.” (SPL to Karandhar, Feb. 10, 1973)

(4). “This forgetfulness of his constitutional position is due to anger or envy. The living entity, being eternally a part-and-parcel servitor of the Supreme Lord, can never, by constitution, be an equal enjoyer with the Lord. When he forgets this, however, and tries to be one with Him, his condition is called tāmisra. Even in the field of spiritual realization, this tāmisra mentality of the living entity is hard to overcome. In trying to get out of the entanglement of material life, there are many who want to be one with the Supreme. Even in their transcendental activities, this lower-grade mentality of tāmisra continues.” (SB 3.20.18)


“A jealous person in the dress of a Vaishnava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaishnava in receiving the Lord’s mercy. Unfortunately, in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaishnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says kali- chela. He indicates that there is another Vaishnava, a pseudo-Vaishnava with tilak on his nose and kanthi beads around his neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava. 

Bhaktivinoda Thakura therefore says that such a Vaishnava is not a Vaishnava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an acharya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaishnava acharya. A Vaishnava acharya is self-effulgent, and there is no need of any court judgment. A false acharya may try to override a Vaishnava by a high-court decision, butBhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.” (Cc., Madhya, 1.220, Purport)

“Chanakya Pandit says that there are two envious animals: serpents and men. Although you may be faultless either may kill you. Of the two Chanakya Pandit says that the envious man is more dangerous because a serpent can be subdued by chanting a mantra or some herbs but an envious man cannot be subdued. In Kali- yuga practically everyone is envious but we have to tolerate this. Envious people create many impediments to the Krishna consciousness movement but we have to tolerate them. There is no alternative.” (Madhudhvisa das, 1995)

“You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society." (SPL, Hansadutta)

Simply because someone has the dress of a devotee, wears tilak, knows the walk and the talk, does not mean he cannot be capable of the crime of killing the spiritual master for his own material benefit. Rather than being a fantasy, it is considered by many that agents of Kali entered ISKCON and conspired to assassinate His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada by poison. We pray to Srila Prabhupada to help us root out his poisoners so they may be criminally indicted and tried in courts of law. If the suspects are neither cleared nor convicted by the evidence, they should "honorably" resign their posts for the sake of the mission. Lord Rama banished Sita simply because of one person’s criticism; to be widely suspected of poisoning Srila Prabhupada is not a good qualification for continued leadership in the Hare Krishna movement.


Four kinds of persons come to Krishna, including those in search of wealth. “These are not pure devotees, because they have some aspiration to fulfill in exchange for devotional service…. As long as such a purified stage is not attained, devotees in transcendental service to the Lord are tainted…” (BGita 7.16 Purport)

Although engaged in devotional service, the motive may be for material benefits. This explains how one can be participating “in good standing” and still be aiming for personal ambitions. Actually it is often seen that even long-standing ISKCON unauthorised gurus such as Jayapataka Swami are censored by their peers for not chanting japa, their required rounds, or watching karmi movies or pornographic videos, or all sorts of activities improper for either a sannyasi or an initiating guru. What is not understood by most general devotees is that one cannot become an initiating spiritual master unless one is a pure devotee mahabhagawat on the liberated platform, free from all effects of the materialenergies.


The conditioned souls in this material world have a combination of divine and demoniac natures, and according to their association and their choices by their free will, they can behave divinely or in the lower modes, or demonicly. Those who joined the Hare Krishna movement as participating devotees may revert to the pursuit of demonic or sinful ambitions, simply by their free will. A person may thus act as a devotee in the service of the Lord or at another time as a “demon” in the service of his mundane desires, such as envy of the pure devotee’s status as the most worshipable of all people. This explains how many devotees may appear externally as Vaishnavas, but may have the consciousness of a karmi or fruitive worker, or worse, that of a demon who would exploit his situation for sense gratification, even to the extent of poisoning the Acharya so to take his place. How can anyone think that the poisoners of Srila Prabhupada were anything other than “demons” in the disguise of devotees?

“One who is conducted by false ego and thus always distressed, both mentally and sensually, cannot tolerate the opulence of self-realized persons. Being unable to rise to the standard of self-realization, he envies such persons as much as demons envy the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” (SB 4.3.21)

COMMENT: Obviously Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners fit thisdescription.

Another perspective on this:

“Everything depends on the strength of the recipient. For example, due to the scorching sunshine many vegetables and flowers dry up, and many grow luxuriantly. Thus it is the recipient that causes growth and dwindling. Similarly, mahīyasāṁ pāda-rajo-’bhiṣekam: the dust of the lotus feet of great personalities offers all good to the recipient, but the same dust can also do harm. Those who are offenders at the lotus feet of a great personality dry up; their godly qualities diminish. A great soul may forgive offenses, but Kṛṣṇa does not excuse offenses to the dust of that great soul’s feet, just as one can tolerate the scorching sunshine on one’s head but cannot tolerate the scorching sunshine on one’s feet. An offender glides down more and more; therefore he naturally continues to commit offenses at the feet of the great soul. Offenses are generally committed by persons who falsely identify with the impermanent body.” (SB 4.4.13 Purport)


“There are many renegades from the Brahma-sampradaya whose only business is to make men more forgetful of the Lord and thus entangle them more and more in material existence. Such persons are never dear to the Lord, and the Lord sends them deeper into the darkest region of matter so that such envious demons may not be able to know the Supreme Lord…” (SBhag 2.9.20)

“There are many karmīs in the dress of devotees, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead can detect their purpose. The karmīs want to use the property of the Lord for their selfish sense gratification, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service. Therefore a devotee is always distinct from the karmīs, although the karmīs may dress like devotees. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (3.9), yajñārthāt karmaṇo ’nyatra loko ’yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ. One who works for Lord Viṣṇu is free from this material world, and after giving up his body he goes back home, back to Godhead. A karmī, however, although externally working like a devotee, is entangled in his nondevotional activity, and thus he suffers the tribulations of material existence. Thus from the results achieved by the karmīs and devotees, one can understand the presence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who acts differently for the karmīs and jñānīs than for the devotees.” SB 8.9.28- purport

BHAGAVAD GITA 16.4: TRANSLATION: Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance--these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, o son of Prtha.

PURPORT: In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The demoniac want to make a show of religion and advancement in spiritual science, although they do not follow the principles. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. They desire to be worshiped by others, and demand respectability, although they do not command respect. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. They do everything whimsically, according to their own desire, and they do not recognize any authority. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities.

And a very heavy quote:


“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. Most devotees - not only the most neophyte – were enchanted by their tricks. In this way Kali's agents expertly introduced karma, jnana, and anyabhilasa in the Vaisnava sampradaya and caused suddha-bhakti to vanish from the world.”


"If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master. However, unless one follows the spiritual master's instructions and the regulative principles governing chanting and hearing the holy name of the Lord, one cannot become a pure devotee. By one's mental concoctions, one falls down. By associating with nondevotees, one breaks the regulative principles and is thereby lost." (CC Mad 19.157 Purport)

Revised/ adulterated edition: "Even if one thinks there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Movement, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master. However, unless…" (COMMENT: Amazing changes by the BBT to the meaning !)

Impersonalism is the main disease in the material world. All conditioned souls are deeply contaminated with the mayavadi misconception, and when attracted to the Hare Krishna movement, some will apparently become devotees of Krishna but retain their mayavadi mentality. This results in a class of pseudo- devotees who have strong material desires which they will try to fulfill while participating in the society of devotees. Eventually their real nature rises to the forefront as they display the tendencies of envy, controlling others, secret sense gratification, and all types of maya. This pretty much describes many of the early “big shots” who were attracted to Srila Prabhupada in the late sixties. “Devotees” such as Tamal and Kirtanananda were constantly struggling and vacillating between their ambitious designs and serving the puredevotee.

Pseudo-devotees become absorbed in desires for profit, distinction, and adoration, and they eny the pure devotee and his throngs of loving, faithful, surrendered disciples. Just as we all originally chose to envy Lord Krishna and thus were exiled to the material world, many who come into contact with Srila Prabhupada also will envy his position and great glories. They want what he has! Why is it such a surprise that the demons, karmis, and pseudo-devotees have entered the movement? They are everywhere in this material world, the movement is canvassing amongst them, and so many will “join” with secret agendas of exploiting any opportunity they can find.

When we study the lives of the biggest zonal acharyas such as Tamal, Kirtanananda, Bhavananda, and others, we see conditioned souls who tried to get on the proper spiritual path but were overwhelmed by their own conditioning, causing havoc in the movement. We see cults in the outside world where many followers stupidly surrendered themselves to various false gurus, such as David Koresh, Jimmy Jones, and Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh. And this won’t happen in the Hare Krishna movement? Of course it did, and it is up to the general devotees to become educated and advanced by studying Srila Prabhupada’s books to avoid these cheating false gurus and misleaders.

Persons envious of Srila Prabhupada have entered the Hare Krishna movement because all conditioned souls are prone to envy. We see from shastric history that Daksha, although highly situated, was envious of Lord Shiva. So how is it a surprise that poisoners could enter the movement?


From one of the administrators of the Facebook Srila Prabhupada Disciples Sanga, a closed “reunion” discussion group, which has over 800 members, we received this:

“…this quote from Nanda Kumara, who was Srila Prabhupada's servant at the time. He posted it in our group several times in the past:” (Uttamasloka das)

“Srila Prabhupada told me something personally. His Divine Grace said... "There are those among us wearing dhoti, sikha, tilaka and neck beads, but they are not devotees. They are agents of kali who are here to try to stop our movement. You (said to me, but meaning all of us, especially those with a ksatriya nature) should find out who they are and weed them out. That's an exact quote.” (Nanda Kumara das)

“I have watched all of Nanda Kumara’s Srila Prabhupada memories, and I remember him from the early seventies while visiting Los Angeles and Mayapur, so I know him to some extent. We spoke at length a few times He was one of Srila Prabhupada’s longtime personal servants before Hari Sauri das came on board in 1975. Based on these experiences I have no reason or suspicion to doubt the absolute veracity of what he says here. The danger is that everyone will claim to know who are agents of Kali and then create havoc. 

The campaign to “cleanse” the movement of such agents of Kali should be not be undertaken by anyone less formidable than a broad committee approved by a major body of devotees, consisting of at least several dozen mature and senior, pukka devotees of a brahminical nature. They would identify those that should be removed, and that would be executed by the ksatriyas or managers. Sound extreme? Or should we just allow the Lord’s mission to be spoiled? That would be more extreme. Weed them out!” (Nityananda das)


Prabhupada: Everyone is envious. This world is envious. They have declared that God is dead. You see. (laughs) (Bengali) There is a proverb in Bengali that one person wanted to see how many thieves are there in this village, and when he began to scrutinize, he saw that everyone is a thief. (laughter) Similarly, envious, you begin from President Johnson and go to anyone, they are all envious of God consciousness. You see? Otherwise in Los Angeles city, there are millions and trillions of people, and only a dozen people are coming here. You see? Why? They are envious. "What is this nonsense God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness?" You see? (Lecture, Dec 30 1968)

Prabhupada: So psychiatrists, generally their patients are crazy fellows. Generally they treat crazy fellows. Is it not? No sane man goes to a psychiatrist. (laughter) Is it not a fact? So all these crazy men sometimes makes the psychiatrist a crazy also. So more or less, everyone is crazy. That is the... It is not my layman's opinion. It is the opinion of a big medical surgeon. There was a case in the court, murder case. The murderer pleaded that "I became crazy, mad, at that time." That is generally... So the medical man was called to examine. He was great civil surgeon in Calcutta. So he gave his opinion in the court that "So far I have treated many patients, so my opinion is that everyone is more or less a madman. 

More or less. It is a question of degree." So our opinion is like that, that anyone who is not under the direct connection with God, he's a crazy man. He's a madman. Now you can treat. So we are also psychiatrists. We are pushing this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So because anyone who is in this material world—more or less crazy, madman. Because he doesn't care for God, therefore he's crazy. He is completely under the control of God, but still, he has the audacity to say, "No, I don't believe in God." Crazy man. So anyone who does not believe in God, he's a crazy fellow. You can treat him. Everyone is patient. (Conv, Melbourne, April 23, 1976)

These two excerpts from Srila Prabhupada show that everyone in the material world is somewhat crazy, more or less. Those that came to the movement came from this stock of crazy persons, so it can be expected that until their insanity is cleared up, which may take a whole lifetime or many lifetimes, they will be prone to acting crazy. Even ten year “devotees” could poison their guru. Will ten years purify ten million creations worth of material desire, envy, and contaminations? It could, but not easily.

“It is a simple fact that ‘demons’ take birth, exist, and work in Hare Krishna Movement; Srila Prabhupada has warned about them in his books. I have a CD/DVD done by Gargamuni and Bramananda called ENVY which is 3 hours of words by Srila Prabhupada about the character of his Godbrothers in the Gaudiya Math and a first class presentation of how they destroyed the work of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and also envied Srila Prabhupada. So there is proof of destructive elements in our sampradaya. What is so hard to understand that some would actually try to poison Srila Prabhupada? After all, they stood to gain more than they could have ever imagined, or so they thought.

“After reading your exchanges with this ISKCON guru, I must admit I cannot find it within my heart to feel the same way about any of these people within ISKCON who have either directly or indirectly usurped Srila Prabhupada’s position. Call them in maya, demons, whatever, they collaborated and benefitted in destroying Srila Prabhupada’s, the 6 Goswamis’, and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission. I have, like many others, a situation locally here where some of our so called Prabhupada Anuga asociates just don't seem to grasp the severity and results of bad association. Even before this letter from you came up I was composing a file of some quotes from Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja about the dangers and pitfalls of wrong association and so called ‘faith’, or sraddha. 

I don’t know your situation there much, why you do what you do, but as far as what our acharyas write, I think we must be very careful about this important element of bhakti called ‘association’. After all, it was the first instruction Mahaprabhu gave to grihasthas wherever He went: asat sanga tyaga ei Vaishnava acara- give up unwanted association and associate only with Vaishnavas. He meant real Vaishnavas. There are many quotes on this.” (Damaghosadas)

Prabhupada: People are so intelligent that when the representative of Krishna speaks, they (indistinct) enemies, and sometimes they crucify, kill. So, people are so kind that they are not killing. Otherwise, why Christ, (?) was killed? What fault? What is his fault? Just see. Was there any fault in his words? He advised, "Don't kill," and he was crucified. We have to deal with such rascals. I may be representative, but he is directly son of God. People are so rascal that they did not believe even the son of God, what to speak of His representative. What is that? Why Jesus Christ was killed? What was his fault?

For ordinary people, it is hard to understand, but here the Srimad Bhagwatam explains envy again: “When a person is very great and famous, many unscrupulous persons become his enemies, for envy is the nature of materialists.” (SB 4.21.21 PURPORT)


When Krishna or His empowered representative come to the material world, they are accompanied by their associates as well as opposed by the demons. Putana appeared like a demigod, and all the Vrindaban residents allowed her access to Yasoda’s house and the baby Krishna, fooled by her external charms. She was a demon in disguise. Many people who are envious of the pure devotee of the Lord appear in the garb of devotees. In Kali Yuga demons are dressed in disguise as devotees.

“There are many karmīs in the dress of devotees, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead can detect their purpose. The karmīs want to use the property of the Lord for their selfish sense gratification, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service. Therefore a devotee is always distinct from the karmīs, although the karmīs may dress like devotees.” (SB 8.9.28 : PURPORT)

“An actual Vaiṣnava is very pleased to accept another Vaiṣṇava who is bestowing the Lord's mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the śāstra (upekṣā). The word upekṣā means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher's duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaiṣṇavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava.” (CC Madhya 1.218 : PURPORT)

“A person who is very faithfully engaged in the worship of the Deity in the temple but does not know how to behave toward devotees or people in general is called a prākṛta-bhakta, or kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. A prākṛta devotee, or neophyte devotee, is still on the material platform. He certainly engages in worshiping the Deity, but he cannot appreciate the activities of a pure devotee. It has actually been seen that even an authorized devotee who is engaged in the service of the Lord by preaching the mission of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sometimes criticized by neophyte devotees. Such neophytes are described by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura: sarva-prāṇi- sammānanāsamarthānām avajñā spardhādimatāṁ tu bhagavat-pratimaiva pātram ity āha. For those who cannot properly appreciate the activities of authorized devotees, Deity worship is the only way for spiritual advancement. In the Chaitanya-caritāmṛta ( Antya 7.11) it is clearly said, kṛṣṇa-śakti vinā nahe tāra pravartana: without being authorized by Kṛṣṇa, one cannot preach the holy name of the Lord throughout the entire world. nevertheless, a devotee who does so is criticized by neophyte devotees, kaniṣṭha-adhikārīs, who are on the lower stages of devotional service. For them, Deity worship is strongly recommended.” (SB 7.14.39 Purport)


From the Srimad Bhagwatam (7.4.13-14) we read:

“Hiranyakashipu was so powerful that everyone but the three principle demigods- namely Lord Brahma, Lord Shiva, and Lord Vishnu- engaged in his service… The asuras sometimes become so powerful that they can engage even Narada Muni and similar devotees in their service. This does not mean that Narada was subordinate to Hiranyakashipu. Sometimes, however, it so happens in this material world that great personalities, even great devotees, can also be controlled by theasuras.”

A similar situation exists in ISKCON wherein a powerfully demoniac atmosphere of disobedience and offenses towards Srila Prabhupada prevails so strongly by way of political and social repression that no devotee is even allowed to philosophically consider topics which are banned, at risk of punishment or expulsion. Even sincere and pure-hearted devotees in ISKCON, provided they succeed in not becoming infected by their pretentious senior leaders, are compelled to serve Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna through the personalities of ambitious, unauthorised gurus and those who aspire to become gurus. This theme is more fully developed in Book Two.

NOTE: In the following essay about organized religion, we see that perhaps Lord Chaitanya has arranged ISKCON as a place for the Kamsas and Putanas, for the cheaters and cheated to establish themselves. On the other hand, ISKCON was not intended to be another mundane religious institution.

ORGANIZED RELIGION by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura

Sri Krishna manifests His eternal birth, the pure cognitive essence of the serving soul who is located above all mundane limitations. King Kamsa [the demon king who wanted to kill Lord Krishna] is the typical empiricist, ever on the lookout for the appearance of the truth for the purpose of suppressing Him before He has time to develop. This is no exaggeration of the real connotation of the consistent empiric position. The materialist has a natural repugnance for the transcendent. He is disposed to link that faith in the incomprehensible is the parent of dogmatism and hypocrisy in the guise of religion. He is also equally under the delusion that there is no real dividing line between the material and the spiritual. He is strengthened in his delusion by the interpretation of scriptures by persons who are like-minded with himself. This includes all the lexicographic interpreters.

The lexicographical interpretation is upheld by Kamsa as the real scientific explanation of the scriptures, and is perfectly in keeping with his dread of and aversion for the transcendental. These lexicographical interpreters are employed by Kamsa in putting down the first suspected appearance of any genuine faith in the transcendental. King Kamsa knows very well that if the faith in the transcendental is once allowed to grow it is sure to upset all his empiric prospects.

There is historical ground for such misgivings. Accordingly if the empiric domination is to be preserved in tact it would be necessary not to lose a moment to put down the transcendental heresy the instant it threatens to make its appearance in earnest. King Kamsa, acting on this traditional fear, is never slow to take the scientific precaution of deputing empiric teachers of the scriptures, backed by the resources of dictionary and grammar and all empiric subtleties to put down, by the show of specious arguments based on hypothetical principles, the true interpretation of the eternal religion revealed by the scriptures. Kamsa is strongly persuaded that faith in the transcendental can be effectively put down by empiricism if prompt and decisive measures are adopted at the very outset. He attributes the failure of atheism in the past to the neglect of the adoption of such measures before the theistic fallacy has had time to spread among the fanatical masses.

But Kamsa is found to count without his host. When Krishna is born, He is found to be able to upset all sinister designs against those who are apprized by Himself of His advent. The apparently causeless faith displayed by persons irrespective of age, sex and condition may confound all rabid empiricists who are on principle adverse to the Absolute Truth Whose appearance is utterly incompatible with the domination of empiricism. But no adverse efforts of the empiricists whose rule seems till then to be perfectly well-established over the minds of the deluded souls of this world can dissuade any person from exclusively following the Truth when He actually manifests His birth in the pure cognitive essence of the soul.

Putana [the demoness who tried to kill Krishna] is the slayer of all infants. The baby, when he or she comes out of the mother's womb, falls at once into the hands of the pseudo-teachers of religion. These teachers are successful in forestalling the attempts of the good preceptor whose help is never sought by the atheists of this world at the baptism of their babies. This is ensured by the arrangements of all established churches of the world. They have been successful only in supplying watchful Putanas for effecting the spiritual destruction of persons from the moment of their birth with cooperation of their worldly parents. No human contrivance can prevent these Putanas from obtaining possession of their pulpits. This is due to the general prevalence of atheistic disposition in the people of this world.

The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil. It is not from any deliberate opposition to the ordained clergy that these observations are made. The original purpose of the established churches of the world may not always be objectionable. But no stable religious arrangement for instructing the masses has yet been successful. The Supreme Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, in pursuance of the teachings of the scriptures enjoins all absence of conventionalism for the teachers of the eternal religion. It does not follow that the mechanical adoption of the unconventional life by any person will make him a fit teacher of religion. Regulation is necessary for controlling the inherent worldliness of conditioned souls.

But no mechanical regulation has any value, even for such a purpose. The bona-fide teacher of religion is neither any product of, nor the favourer of, any mechanical system. In his hands no system has likewise the chance of denigrating into a lifeless arrangement. The mere pursuit of fixed doctrines and fixed liturgies cannot hold a person to the true spirit of doctrine or liturgy. The idea of an organized church in an intelligible form, indeed, marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dikes and dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. 

They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bona-fide spiritual teacher.The people of this world understand preventive systems, they have no idea at all of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthy contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale. Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state in any worldly sense from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly expectants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo- teachers of religion, the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the theistic disposition can never be stifled by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheist. It is a thankless but salutary task which they perform for the benefit of their unwilling victims.

But as soon as theistic disposition proper makes its appearance in the pure cognitive essence of the awakened soul, the Putanas are decisively silenced at the very earliest stage of their encounter with the new- born Krishna. The would-be slayer of herself slain. This is the reward of the negative services that the Putanas unwittingly render to the cause of theism by strangling all hypocritical demonstrations against their own hypocrisy. But Putana does not at all like to receive her reward in only form which involves the total destruction of her wrong personality. King Kamsa also does not like to lose the services of the most trusted of his agents. The effective silencing of the whole race of pseudo-teachers of religion is the first clear indication of the appearance of the Absolute on the mundane plane. The bona-fide teacher of the Absolute, heralds the Advent of Krishna by his uncompromising campaign against the pseudo-teachers of religion. (END)


Every morning, a different devotee comes up to Paradisio to visit Swamiji for a day. Although there is no formal initiation ritual or fire sacrifice, Swamiji chants on the initiates’ beads and bestows spiritual names: Aniruddha, Uddhava, Murari, Devananda. One day, when Janaki visits, she takes exception to the painting of Lord Nrishingadev tearing out the entrails of the demon Hiranyakashipu. ‘It’s really ghastly, Swamiji, she says, making a face.’ ‘For the devotees, it is beautiful,’ he says. ‘The devotee praises Lord Nrishingadev: dalita hiranyakashipu tanu bhringam. “With the nails of Your beautiful hands, you have torn apart this wasp-like demon.” Hiranyakashipu was such a great demon that he even tried to kill his small son, Prahlad Maharaj, just because he was a devotee. 

So the Lord killed Hiranyakashipu to protect His devotee and liberate the demon.’ ‘But there are no such demons now, Swamiji,’ Janaki says. ‘Oh yes,’ Swamiji says. ‘Demon means nondevotee.’ ‘Maybe we shouldn’t call them demons,’ Kirtanananda suggests. ‘People will never come if we call them demons.’ ‘But they are demons,’ Swamiji says. ‘If you are not a devotee, you’re a demon.’ ‘Aren’t most people somewhere in between?’ Kirtanananda persists. ‘“In between” means demon,’ Swamiji says. ‘But most people never heard of Krishna,’ Kirtanananda says. ‘How can they be called demons?’ ‘Everyone has heard of God,’ Swamiji says. ‘Krishna is God. Anyway, they may be innocent; therefore we are informing them. But actually, because they’re here in this material world, they are not really innocent. Somehow, they’ve chosen to forget Krishna, and are therefore demons.’ ‘I thought that in Krishna consciousness, you see Krishna in everyone,’ Kirtanananda says. ‘Yes,’ Swamiji says, ‘Krishna is also in the demon. But does this mean that we aspire to be demons? Unless you distinguish between demons and devotees, you cannot progress in Krishna consciousness.’”


PRABHUPADA: "At present, this world is being managed by the rakshasas. The rakshasas are man-eaters who eat their own sons for the satisfaction of their senses. Now great regimes have been created to smash so many people for the satisfaction of the rakshasas senses, but they do not realize that their senses will never be satisfied in this way. Nonetheless, the rakshasas are prepared to sacrifice everything to satisfy their whimsical desires." (Raja-Vidya by Srila Prabhupada)

If the world is filled with karmis and demons, even rakshasas, who are in control of great political regimes, is it any surprise when the spiritual movement of a great acharya such as Srila Prabhupada sometimes becomes burdened with participants who are not standard or gentlemanly devotees at heart? That they are looking to exploit the material opportunities in the movement? No, this should be no surprise at all.

A letter from Ugrasrava das in Australia on Feb. 12, 2017 is shared in this connection:

“The ‘titles' of Swami and Goswami are for devotees who are meant to be highly advanced and fixed in their service. I refuse to address the below mentioned asuras by these titles, as they do not deserve that respect. They are demons dressed as devotees. On a morning walk with Srila Prabhupada in Mayapur, he discussed this exact topic with me and a few others, that ISKCON was infiltrated by demons dressed as devotees, and he has written about this in his purports. Now nearly 50 years later, one can clearly see how more demoniac they have become. They will get what they deserve; I do not see any redemption for them. In the early seventies when I was in Mayapur with Gopikanta, I was sharing the roof of the Lotus building for accommodation with four of the so called leader ‘swamis’ of ISKCON. One morning Gopi asked me what was it like staying with these so called elevated men and my response was, ‘They are the biggest pack of crooks I have ever met.’ Nothing has changed, they have become more crooked any which way they can.Your humble servant, Ugrasrava das”


Once Ambarisha das, always a good friend of Bhavananda, confided in Naveen Krishna das about a situation in New York during the early eighties. Ambarisha shared a large apartment with Bhavananda, who would go to the temple every morning for the full program, then meet with disciples, attend to temple affairs and business, and later in the day return to the apartment. In the evening Bhavananda would change clothes and go out to the city’s gay bars all night, returning for the morning program again. Day after day, the same routine was witnessed by Ambarisha das. Finally, he pointedly asked Bhavananda, “How can you do this?” Bhavananda looked down and replied, “It’s not easy…” Devotee and demon in the same body?


THE WORLD IS FULL OF DEMONS. Some become devotees, out of which some are more interested in material gains from the professions of guruship, business, or in social life, distinction as a great philosopher or preacher, etc. We must be alert to detect persons behaving like devotees but who may be introducing deviations into the movement in the disguise as a devotee. Putana is the historical example. She tried to poison Lord Krishna and some also tried to poison Srila Prabhupada.

We should not always be so kind and forgiving as Srila Prabhupada was when the interests of the mission are at stake. It is our responsibility to manage the mission according to the methods, prescriptions, and formulas given by Srila Prabhupada, and to reject those who would utilize the assets of the mission for their own sense gratification rather than in pure devotional service. There are many so-called leaders in the movement whose purpose is not at all favorable for the mission. They may cause great disruptions and havoc and it is up to faithful disciples to protect Srila Prabhupada and his mission from these rascals, pseudo- devotees or demons in disguise.

Prabhupada: No, there are always two classes of men: devata and demons. […] This struggle will always be there. (Sanskrit) There are two classes of men throughout the whole universe. One is called daiva and the other is called asura. The Viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ bhaved daivaḥ.(?) […] And there is always fight between the two, even in higher planetary systems. Only Brahmaloka, Satyaloka, there are no more asuras. So asura class will always fight like that, and devatā class will always defy. But for God everyone is equal, because all of them are sons of God. Therefore an attempt is always going on to turn the asuras to become devotees. For this purpose God Himself comes, He sends His representative, how these rascal asuras can be turned into devotees. Otherwise the asura class will always be there. (Conv, Aug. 11, 1976)

“…throw him away, ‘Go away. I have now learned.’ Guru-mara-vidya: the knowledge of how to kill guru. Guru-mara-vidya. Their…the philosophy is that you cannot rise up. You take a ladder. But as soon as you rise, throw away the ladder. No more. No more needed. That is mayavada philosophy.” (SP Morning Walk, 12/5/1973, Los Angeles)

“The same principles can be applied to demoniac persons, even though they be in the sampradāya of Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Without receiving the Lord's special power, one cannot preach His glories all over the world. Even though one may celebrate himself as a learned follower of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and even though one may attempt to preach the holy name of the Lord all over the world, if he is not favored by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu he will find fault with the pure devotee and will not be able to understand how a preacher is empowered by Lord Caitanya. One must be considered bereft of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu when he criticizes the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement now spreading all over the world or finds fault with this movement or the leader of the movement.” (CC Mad 11.103)

The above excerpt shows how some souls will not get the mercy of Lord Chaitanya because they have found fault with the pure devotee. If poisoning Srila Prabhupada is not finding fault with him, then what is?

Srila Prabhupada

Truth Committee - Nityananda Das


- Nityananda das -

Saturday, April 7, 2018

Perfect Questions - No Answers (from the GBC)

Art made by GBC emeritus SDG

Perfect Questions - No Answers (from the GBC)


The GBC Emeritus Award Farce: 'You make huge mistakes and offences and are rewarded by the GBC in ISKCON

[PADA: Satsvarupa is also a GBC emeritus? Which means what? His art is fine or -- not? Yep Rocana's "acharyas in training" program seems to be failing on all fronts?]

To Set The Record Straight…

Now in ISKCON, as a leader you can get rewarded with a GBC Emeritus award despite the fact that you have made grave mistakes as a leader, i.e., managed devotees and Srila Prabhupada's money, offended devotees, mission drifted in ISKCON. OK, fair enough, as the GBC are solely interested in PR rather than facts or truth, and are just an insiders club (with yes men).

I don't see the GBC issuing any Rewards of Appreciation or Apology to the thousands of devotees who have been banned, insulted, mistreated, abandoned or ignored by them and the leaders in ISKCON. No, not one time.

Thus we see white washing and cover-ups as a daily function of the GBC Body. I will address the latest farce of the GBC Emeritus Awards, given this year to two ex-GBC men. I have know both GBC men for many years and I have observed their good Krsna conscious service and their mistakes, some grave ones… mistakes not deserving of any pat on the back or reward.

Letter of Appreciation to Hari Vilas das (ACBSP)
GBC Resolution #319

It's a well know fact that Hari Vilas das has huge disrespect AND contempt for any god brothers or devotees who point out his mistakes in ISKCON or offences to devotees. The GBC are a dishonest and corrupted group now, and they allow fairy tales to be promoted about ex-GBCs or gurus. Honesty out, PR and cover-ups in, in ISKCON.

I lived in Seattle from 1990-1999 -- 10 years, and I know what was going on in there in ISKCON. I saw demigod worship in Seattle ISKCON in the 1990s and a huge drop in Krsna Consciousness standards. When I approached the GBC, who was Hari Vilas and asked, Hari Vilas prabhu, WHY? In anger he told me I was a motherf***er. That's 100% true. I was so shocked! This happened to me around 1998, and I left Seattle as I had no Krsna conscious shelter there anymore.

This is a GBC man worthy of a reward? He also banned and threatened ISKCON Arizona devotees with bad language and harsh treatments. This is verifiable with at least 25 Indian families who are banned from Arizona ISKCON. Their crime was not agreeing with Hari Vilas, so he attacked them. I also saw him exploit devotees for his Uncle Harry's business in Issaquah, Washington, paying them a measly slave wages of $3.00 an hour and exploiting them.

That's OK? Meanwhile in the 1990s, he was in the process of turning ISKCON Seattle into Hindu ISKCON, and to this day it's not following properly as Srila Prabhupada intended. He has totally mission drifted ISKCON Seattle into a Hindu Church for $$$. It's advertised as proper ISKCON, but it's sold out to the Indians for money.

Bhakti Vijana Goswami (former GBC for Moscow)

I have lived in Moscow since 2001. I first came here in 1999, and I know ISKCON here well.

I agree with the GBC that Bhakti Vijana Maharaj did much service to help the Russian yatra and he helped save it in times of severe crisis, but he made some wrong decisions too and the yatra suffers to this day because of his mistakes and bad decisions on Krsna Consciousness here.

Here are the facts as I see them, as a resident here since 1999-2000… Perfect Questions, No Answers on the Moscow Temple, and the land they bought to build a Temple on:

Bhakti Vijana Goswami's ideas for building a temple failed here. After they bought the land that the devotees collected money for, they found out it was only for zoned for farmland. They were cheated. Moreover, it sits unused for 7 years with no accountability by his disciples at all. They are like a separate, closed secret group. The land sits and no one can sell it or use it. Bad management… very bad.

Despite that, Maharaja's disciples hold onto it to build a so-called Education Center. My question is, is it authorized to collect huge sums of money for a failed temple and then without consultation with the devotees or the donors, decide to use it for something else? Is that honest? I don't think so. Moreover, ISKCON of Moscow has bought a dilapidated building which is an old Soviet Union factory, very old, and the inside is empty and needs huge renovation, which will cost millions of USA dollars. So why cant Bhakti Vijana Goswami give up that land outside Moscow and surrender it to Srila Prabhupada for His Moscow Temple? WHY NOT?

Bhakti Vijana Goswami allowed the selling of a concoction and distribution a New Age quasi Hare Krsna magazine in all Russia temples. It was printed by his friends. I have a copy of it and it's embarrassing. The magazine is not representing Srila Prabhupada properly.

Yet Bhakti Vijana Goswami told me to my face the last time I spoke to him (before he resigned as GBC) that my suggestion for a BTG for Russia would 'never happen'… never was his word. As a matter of fact, he told to my face that the world has changed, and ISKCON must change with the world. This statement shocked me! As a Prabhupada disciple, I'm fully aware that this is NOT Representing HDG Srila Prabhupada anymore. What he told me was the exact opposite of what Srila Prabhupada instructed to his disciples: DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING in ISKCON. But Maharaj apparently thinks he knows better than Srila Prabhupada.

I was very disappointed at Bhakti Vijana Goswami's refusal to unite devotees under my idea to print BTG here. He refused to even talk about printing a Back to Godhead magazine for Russia, refused completely. My question: what kind of leader /GBC is that? Yet that Yoga magazine I saw being distributed in ISKCON Russia Temples and on Hari Nams was a New Age compromise and not a proper BBT book.

The Bottom line is, no way is it authorized to print and distribute such a wishy washy, New Age pseudo KC publication, talking about Tantric sex, homo with sex (pics), and mundane heath. A poor, indirect KC-oriented magazine being distributed in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Temples in Russia. I had to stop it. I went to Gopal Krishna Goswami and personally lodged a complaint to him (with magazine in tow). I had uncovered Mission Drift in Russia… bad drifting.

I saw many devotees attending mangala arotik in 1999, when I first came here to Moscow. Now, sadly, it's the opposite. Fewer devotees come to any temple programs anymore. On big occasions many devotees come to the Moscow Temple, but almost no senior men. Now everyone is 'too senior' or 'too advanced' to come to the Moscow Temple programs. Too many devotees want to be a leader or big shot now in ISKCON Russia.

TOO MUCH CHANGE = Too many devotees in ISKCON not following Srila Prabhupada's Instructions anymore. Too many independent devotees refuse to cooperate with the Moscow Temple. It's an epidemic in many ISKCON board-managed Temples now.

Bhakti Vijana Goswami started a Russian Council (or Board) to manage ISKCON Russia. Please show me where HDG Srila Prabhupada instructed to establish devotee councils to manage zones and temples. Where is it? That's not the way Srila Prabhupada wanted ISKCON to be managed, but they do this in Russia and all over ISKCON now. It's a complete concoction, a failure… disobeying Prabhupada's simple plan for Krsna Consciousness management. Guru (Prabhupada), GBC, Temple President, that's it.

Therefore instead of cooperation and unity in Russia (at least in Moscow ISKCON), we see devotees wanting to be independent of the authorities and be their own boss or wanna-be guru. I'm told the Bhakti Vriksha leader here has plans to open another temple without cooperating with the Moscow Temple. That's nothing new, since neither he or his followers come to the Moscow Temple. Nor do his many hundreds of Bhakta Vriksha members even come to the Temple anymore! Not even for Gaura Purnima or Prabhupada's Appearance days do they come! They are a no-show… where are they? Are they too good or important to go to the Temple once or twice a year? Why won't they serve the Temple humbly? At least as an example? Nope!

So to put it mildly, Bhakti Vijana Goswami delegated too many devotees to do their own thing here and as a result the Moscow Temple now suffers, financially, spiritually, manpower wise. When the Temple moved to its present location (Polojayskaya), the brahmacaris started their own temple and refuse to come to or cooperate with Moscow ISKCON… and so on and so forth. You get the picture?

As the saying goes, "Too many cooks spoil the soup". Everyone wants to be a leader, but to be a good leader first you MUST be a good humble follower. I guess they missed that part of the instructions on how to become a leader in ISKCON.

The fact is, Bhakti Vijana Goswami left being GBC here in Moscow with a lot of loose ends and problems behind him. He created an atmosphere of unrealistic independent managers who show no cooperation, no accountability. The yatra has split up here into pieces.

That's what I have seen. I must tell the truth even if the GBC Body won't, and just broadcast their usual PR and lies.

In closing, if the GBC Body doesn't become honest and get its act together, we will see more GBC men fall, more gurus fall, and more confusion and disunity in ISKCON. And more the next year, and the year after, on and on… More PR, more cover-ups, more white-washing of the truth in ISKCON. If the GBC don't become a real GBC, as Srila Prabhupada wanted, we can expect more of the same: show-bottle rewards and unaccountability in ISKCON.

Friday, April 6, 2018

Horrible Civilization Going to Hell (SP -- video)

"Obviously not fit to be a guru in the first place"


Бхакти Вишрамбха Мадхава Свами стал 45-м инициирующим гуру ИСККОН, которые либо сами перестали исполнять эти обязанности, либо были отстранены GBC (cм. список отстраненных советом GBC и переставших инициировать гуру ИСККОН в первом коментарии). 45 дикша-гуру стали недееспособными за 40 лет со времени физического ухода Шрилы Прабхупады, это больше чем один "гуру" в год...

Из резолюций совета GBC 2018 г.:

317. Бхакти Вишрамбха Мадхава Свами

В связи с тем, что 8 мая 2017 года вступило в силу решение Исполнительного комитета GBC отстранить Бхакти Вишрамбху Мадхаву Свами с поста инициирующего гуру из-за его неподобающего и неустойчивого поведения;

в связи с тем, что после встречи с Махараджей, состоявшейся 8 февраля 2018 года, Совет GBC принял решение о том, что действующие ограничения, наложенные на Махараджу, должны остаться в силе;

в связи с тем, что GBC является доброжелателем Махараджи и признаёт, что он не здоров и нуждается в нашей поддержке и адекватных ограничениях,


Действующие ограничения, согласно которым Бхакти Вишрамбха Мадхава Свами больше не будет инициировать или получать какое-либо публичное поклонение, будут сохраняться постоянно или до пересмотра данной ситуации Советом GBC.

Кроме того, Махарадже не разрешается читать официальные лекции или выступать в качестве представителя ИСККОН в каком-либо храме ИСККОН или на программах, связанных с ИСККОН.

Помимо этого мы даем совет и указание Махарадже о том, чтобы он жил в Общине ИСККОН во Вриндаване, где у него имеется помещения для ашрама, либо в храме ИСККОН в Джуху, где лидеры будут рады разместить Махараджу.

Будет разослано письмо, объясняющее беспокойства и рекомендации GBC относительно здоровья и статуса Махараджи, а также касательно благополучия его учеников.

Источник: резолюции 2018 г. с официального сайта GBC в


Bhakti višrambha madhava swami became the 45th initiating guru iskcon who either ceased to perform these duties or were suspended by the GBC (see para. The list of removed council and longer to initiate guru iskcon in the first comments). 45 Diksha-Guru became incapacitated in 40 years since the physical care of Srila Prabhupada, it's more than one "Guru" per year...

From Council Resolutions GBC 2018 G.:


On 8 May 2017, the decision of the executive committee of the GBC to suspend bhakti višrambhu madhavu swami from the post of initiating guru because of its inappropriate and unsustainable conduct was entered into force;

Following a meeting with maharaja on 8 February 2018, the council council decided that the existing restrictions imposed on the maharadžu should remain in force;

Because GBC is dobroželatelem maharaja and admits that he is not healthy and needs our support and adequate restrictions,


The current restrictions that bhakti višrambha madhava swami will no longer initiate or receive any public worship will be maintained continuously or prior to the review of the situation by the council council.

In addition, day is not allowed to read official lectures or to act as a representative of iskcon in a temple of iskcon or on programmes related to iskcon.

In addition, we give advice and guidance to day to live in the community of iskcon in vrindavana, where he has premises for ashram or at the temple temple in juhu, where leaders will be happy to post maharadžu.

A letter will be sent to address the concerns and recommendations of the GBC regarding the health and status of the maharaja, as well as on the well-being of

Source: Resolutions 2018 From the official website of GBC in majâpure:

R Dasi: This points to all the GBC people who declared he was a guru in the first place. He was obviously not qualified to be a guru way before he was appointed as one.