Krishna X Files / PADA Video Feedback / Soul Origin 04 19 24

People also dress up their children here,

and this is where the process originated. 

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PADA: Oh oh, another person is copying and pasting some of the PADA stuff onto their site. Another not so happy customer with the GBC's gurus! Harekrsna.org has more than 180 sites linking to it. Anyway, goody! ys pd 

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FEEDBACK ON PADA VIDEO

Thanks MMD: Yeah prabhu, a number of people told me my new Video explanation of the Windle Turley case [link below] made a lot of sense -- and "it had to be done to save these children." And some of the viewers said they can now finally explain the situation to their friends and associates. There has been a lot of cover up of the facts of this case. 

As for Krishna Kant of the IRM -- yes we told him -- back then -- that these ISKCON children have been taking their lives. Yes, we told him Mayapur is the big head quarters of the pedophile regime, and that it will produce future victims. Yes, we told him Jayapataka is one of the biggest leaders of that regime. 

Yes, Krishna Kanta said he was "going to war with PADA" over these issues -- i.e. the child abuse issue; book changes issue, and poison issue. Yes, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Krishna Kirtan / Pancali / Mathura Pati types are always advertising the IRM as their idea of what policy they support, namely the IRM's. 

And that means -- they wanted -- no halting of the ongoing child abuse -- and victim's taking their lives; no BBTI lawsuit -- because "PADA was working with Hansadutta"; and no poison issue because "we will lose our buildings." So they are compromised with the GBC, and even, with the Judas sabha. And the IRM says they have "defeated PADA." Hee hee! Really?

And me "leaving the USA to go the Caribbean on a vacation -- under the leadership of Jayapataka" [IRM scheme] -- would probably have been the last time anyone would have seen me alive. Yep, it does seem -- they wanted to get rid of me altogether, and that would help defend the regime. I agree. "They wanted to send you to Davey Jones Locker," you got it. A friend of mind recently grimaced when we told them about their plan to send me to the Caribbean -- he said -- it sounds like a MAFIA plot. 

I have said, all along, they are all compromised with the GBC, and worse, compromised with the Jayapataka / Mayapur agenda. That is all there is to it. And no one has ever produced anything to defeat that point, then, or ever since. Perhaps at best they can say it is all lies, but there is not a shred of evidence any of this is a lie. 

And in fact, the molesting issue, book changes issue, poison issue and all the other issues we forwarded, are all moving ONWARD more and more all the time. These issues are not being "defeated" at all -- as the IRM claims, rather they are being accepted more and more every day. 

But Jayapataka and his disciple defenders of the molester messiah's project have called me "a liar" since 1978, it does not seem to be working very well for them. They need to come up with a new mantra. And did I forget to mention, more and more people are telling me how absolutely disgusted they are with ALL these defenders. And someone else said, they are purely evil rakshasa beings. That seems to be the growing consensus. 

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They are not even on the platform of basic human beings.

Agreed. Explains why the karmis get it, they don't.

PADA's VIDEO 

https://youtu.be/NuCAlBfALkM?si=YEVyiZS5P0OKm9e_

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THE SOULS ORIGINATE WITH KRISHNA (UPDATE)

All eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originally came to the material world from either the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavana, where they have eternally resided without any beginning point (meaning they were never created) Prabhupada teaches.

The visiting eternal individual jiva-souls who enter the material world MUST obtain (hire) a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams that cater for every possible scenario the jiva-souls desire. Every material bodily vessel in the material world is first "hired" to the jiva-souls from Maha-Visnu who owns all things in the material world.

Each etrnal individual jiva-soul in the spiritual world ALWAYS have a choice, to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna, otherwise free will has no meaning.

It is sentimental nonsense coming from many gurus, sannyasis, devotees and Vedic scholars, who wrongly claim the eternal individual jiva-souls can never fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana once there.

Actually, all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) come from either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (the spiritual world)

Srila Prabhupada – "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

The eternal individual jiva-souls can "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways as an unlimited varieties of spiritual bodily forms, or can reject Krsna and Visnu and enter the impermanent material world and experience their independent desires.

And this has nothing to do with Maya or material energy because Maya does not exist in the spiritual world, nothing material can exist there however, free will ALWAYS exists in the spiritual world that allows the jiva-souls to always have a choice to be with Krsna, or reject Him.*

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*H.H. Jayapataka Swami April 18th 2024*

Hare Krishna dear disciples and well-wishers of H.H. Jayapataka Swami
Maharaja,

Please accept our humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Guru Maharaja

Guru Maharaja is feeling a little better but is still not quite fit to travel. Dr Sarin examined Guru Maharaja and feels his lungs are still weak and retaining some fluid. He will need lot of chest physio to clear his lungs . Under such a condition air travel is risky.

The good news is Guru Maharaja has been able to maintain saturation in room air most of the time. The IV antibiotics have also been brought to minimal and oral antibiotics have been started as a preventive measure. He had a slow dialysis day before yesterday and as a result his creatinine seems to be declining. However, he might need dialysis twice a week for some more time. Thus he needs to stay back in Delhi.

The health team and the seva committee had a meeting yesterday with Guru Maharaja explaining his current status and requesting him to stay in Delhi for few weeks till he recovers completely and dialysis is stabilized.

Although Guru Maharaja was keen to go to Mayapur for Vyasa puja, after considering everyone's opinion, Guru Maharaja has kindly agreed to stay on in Delhi till he has reasonably recovered.

Vyasa puja in Delhi will be celebrated in Iskcon Noida for the pleasure of Guru Maharaja. Prayers have worked wonderfully and we humbly request devotees to continue prayers intensely so Guru Maharaja can travel back to Mayapur soon.

On behalf of the JPS Heath Team and Seva Committee,
Mahavaraha Dāsa

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Mistreating Devotees / Ananta Vasudeva 04 18 24

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Mistreating Vaishnava Women and Children (and Brahmanas and cows).

PADA: Srila Prabhupada said anyone who physically harms a Vaishnava has to suffer going into the stone rollers on Yamaraja's planets, he never said this would not apply to any race or gender. It is forbidden to physically harm any Vaishnava, and anyone who does so is going to be in for a very, very bad future. 

All Vaishnavas should be protected. Of course, at New Vrndavana -- women, children, brahmanas -- and even cows -- were not protected, and that is why most devotees avoided going there even in its hey day -- and it is now basically a forgotten ghost town. 

I went there once in 1980 and stayed only for a few hours. The vibe was very weird. People were telling me what a great job they had done having Jadurani beaten up there. That was a giant red flag right out of the gate. You are going into the stone rollers at Yamaraja's, and you are proud of that? 

Sorry, there was never any license to mistreat anyone, anywhere, at any time, much less women and children, especially Vaishnavas, and those of us who were a little respectful to others knew that even before we were devotees. Srila Prabhupada was very clear on this, mistreating Vaishnavas [or Vaishnavis or children, or elders and cows] will not end well for the aggressors. 

Neither will a community that allows that last for long, which is why New Vrndavana disintegrated to almost none of its former glory. Whereas programs that follow the process are growing. 

In sum, none of these physical violence acts against devotees was ever authorized, and most of us did not ever think it was. And in fact, we were appalled that anyone would even think this type behavior is authorized in a society of God lovers.     

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Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu (the acarya of the Gaudiya Mission) called for me and

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Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhar Maharaj: Some years after our Guru Maharaja had left, Ananta Vasudeva Prabhu (the acarya of the Gaudiya Mission) called for me and said, "Prabhupada has done many things which cannot be supported according to the scriptures. Where is your name 'Sridhara' found in the scripture? Only ten names of sannyasis we find – Puri, Giri, Bharati etc. – all these are mentioned in the scriptures."

I told him, "You published a book, Gaudiya Kanthahara before I joined the matha, and in there, one hundred and eight names of sannyasis are mentioned. You have given reference to Ananta-samhita."

Ananta Vasudeva: "Oh, that is all false, concoction. We suggested these names and Sachin Pandita composed the sloka and has given this some Sanskrit characteristic. We suggested the name of Ananta-samhita. It is a fictitious book. There is no Ananta-samhita."

"That does not matter."

"It is all false, so we can't follow strictly the principles of Prabhupada."

Then I gave him this answer, "In the Vedas and Upanisads it is seen that the first consideration is the rsi. What the rsis of the ancient times saw and felt in their hearts, they recorded, and that is Vedas and Upanisads. If we consider that the primary conception of full-fledged theism is given in the Srimad Bhagavatam and that It is the natural fruit of the Vedas, Puranas etc, then those persons who preach that full-fledged theism, who have found the expression within their heart – anything they add to that is greater sastra than the Vedas and Upanisads.

PADA: Sridhara could not control his Frankenstein monster acharyas after he enabled them to be in that post. They became renegades and did not want to listen to him anymore. 

And when Sridhara Maharaja says that Srila Prabhupada's idea that we originated with Krishna "is not found in shastra," he forgot that when a pure devotee speaks, that is shastra. Shastra is a record of the words of pure devotees, of course they did not accept that Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee.

The present acaryas do not have a lesser position than the former rsis – they have a greater position. They have to give to the public a higher conception of theism. We may think of them to be modern, but at the same time if we consider what Mahaprabhu gave and what the Bhagavatam has given as a more developed condition of theism than what the Upanisads and Vedas have given in previous days – if we realize this, than we must give the position of importance to the acarya of full-fledged theism. Otherwise we are all hypocrites.

PADA: Right, so declaring that Ananta Vasudeva is an acharya is a mistake, and supporting the GBC's 11 as acharyas is another mistake. Sridhara Maharaja gave acharya status to conditioned souls -- and then the mission suffered. For that matter, Ananta Vasudeva and the 11 also suffered from taking karma, making offenses and so on. 

One who is in the service of full-fledged theism, whatever inspiration comes in him, for the service of preaching that truth – that is more valuable than that ordinary Upanisad, Veda, and other revealed scripture. I still hold that – it cannot but be so. If you are to accept Svayam-Bhagavan, Akhila-rasamrta-murti and the full-fledged theism of Bhagavatam, then those that are earnestly, wholeheartedly trying to serve and preaching that truth, whatever inspiration comes from within, that cannot but be the truth. 

What we find created and given to us by the present authentic acarya has got infinitely more value than those which were previously seen by the rsis. Otherwise we cannot say that this is full-fledged theism. Those that can appreciate this highest form of theism, their position is nothing? Their position is not serious? If we shrink to give that sort of respectable position to the present acarya, if we cannot give such a position to the espouser of this highest form of theism, then that conviction is to be doubted.

PADA: Yup. When the current acharya says, none of my disciples are fit to be acharyas and take karma, and if they take karma they will have to suffer, then Sridhara has no authority to circumvent that instruction. And we can all see the direct odious results quite clearly. ys pd

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 Appearance Day of Lord Ramachandra [Rama Navami] | The Hare Krishna Movement

Sītā-devī is also expansion of Rādhārāṇī. They are the same tattva.

Lecture SB 1/7.43 Oct 3 1976

"This morning I was reading about Sītā-devī's being kidnapped by Rāvaṇa. Now, because there was not Rāmacandra present and Lakṣmaṇa was also not present, she was unguarded and Rāvaṇa took the opportunity to kidnap her. So even Sītā-devī, she is goddess of fortune, she is the spiritual potency of Lord Rāmacandra, she is not ordinary woman, but showing us the example that even Sītā-devī... Sītā-devī is the original potency. Of course, Rāvaṇa could not kidnap Sītā-devī as she is. That is not possible. This is described in another Purāṇa, that when Rāvaṇa came to kidnap Sītā, Sītā-devī disappeared from there and she kept a māyā form, false form, and Rāvaṇa kidnapped her. This is stated in very authoritative scripture. When Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was traveling in South India, a brāhmaṇa invited Him. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu at noontime went there, but He saw the brāhmaṇa has not cooked anything. There was nothing prepared. And he was crying and reading Rāmāyaṇa. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu inquired, "Brāhmaṇa, why you are in such a depressed condition, you are crying?" "Sir, I am so..." He was in the ecstasy of Hanumān. "Sir, I am so unfortunate that Sītā-devī has been taken by Rāvaṇa and I could not rescue her still." In this way he was puzzled. So he did not cook anything. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu pacified him. Then he cooked. He could understand that "I invited..." It was done. Then, when he was returning, I forget the name of the Purāṇa... Kūrma Purāṇa. He got evidences that Sītā-devī, when she was supposed to be kidnapped by Rāvaṇa, her a false form was kidnapped, and when Sītā-devī was tested, putting her into the fire, she entered into the fire and the māyā Sītā was burned and the original Sītā came out. So it was not possible for Rāvaṇa to touch even the lotus feet of mother Sītā. But apparently it is externally manifested that Sītā was taken away just to teach us that even Sītā-devī...

Sītā-devī is the origin of all potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Cit-śakti. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). The Supreme Personality of Godhead has got many potencies, multipotencies, and one of the potency is hlādinī-śakti, pleasure potency. That pleasure potency is Sītā, Rādhārāṇī, Lakṣmī-devī. This has been described by Svarūpa-dāmodara Gosvāmī, rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī-śaktir asmād ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau (CC Adi 1.5). These are described, that the Kṛṣṇa's pleasure potency, Rādhārāṇī, is Kṛṣṇa. But to take pleasure They became two. Ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau. They became divided into two, Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. Again, Śrī Caitanya, prakaṭam. When Kṛṣṇa came as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combined together. Therefore the devotees of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa or Caitanya Mahāprabhu, they worship śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. They say. This is a fact. So Lord Rāmacandra is also Kṛṣṇa. Sītā-devī is also expansion of Rādhārāṇī. They are the same tattva.rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhannānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintukṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yogovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi(Bs. 5.39)

So here the example that even Sītā-devī, the direct potency of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, she is showing that without being protected, she can be ravished, she can be kidnapped, she can be misused by the rākṣasas. This is the example. Sītā-devī was quite competent, but this is the example.

The Lord has got unlimited potencies, so one of the potency is Rādhārāṇī or Lakṣmī or Sītā.Lecture on SB 7.9.26 -- Mayapur, March 4, 1976:

The Lord has got unlimited potencies, parasya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). So one of the potency is Rādhārāṇī or Lakṣmī or Sītā. They are equal. There is no difference. Rādhā-kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir āhlādini-śaktir asmāt. These loving affairs between Rādhārāṇī and Kṛṣṇa or Nārāyaṇa and Lakṣmī or Sītā and Rāma, they are both of them the same. One is potency; another is potent. That is the difference, potent and potency.

ISKCON's $400M lawsuit / Answering PADA's critics VIDEO 04 16

 

Qualifications of Acharya / Tribulations for a preacher [SP Quotes] 04 15 24

PADA: More ISKCON folks are watching PADA videos on youtube and so on, and we just got a nice report from some of them. We are making progress. 

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Qualifications of an Acharya [Mahesh Raja]

Bhagavad-gita 4.19 - Transcendental Knowledge

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Bhagavad-gita 4.19 - 

Transcendental Knowledge

Because the person in Krishna consciousness is devoid of all kinds of sense-gratificatory propensities, it is to be understood that he has burned up the reactions of his work by perfect knowledge of his constitutional position as the eternal servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Nectar of Instruction 5

A madhyama-adhikari has received SPIRITUAL INITIATION from the spiritual master and has been FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD.

Antya 4.192 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana
sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama

“AT THE TIME OF INITIATION, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Krishna accepts him to be as good as Himself.

Antya 4.193 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri
“When the devotee’s body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord.

Antya 4.194 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri
”The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform OF IMMORTALITY, AND BECOMES FIT TO ENJOY THE SPIRITUAL BLISS OF EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.”

Antya 4.194 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri
This is a quotation from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.29.34). At the time of initiation, a devotee gives up all his material conceptions. THEREFORE, BEING IN TOUCH WITH THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, HE IS SITUATED ON THE TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM. THUS HAVING ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE AND THE SPIRITUAL PLATFORM, HE ALWAYS ENGAGES IN THE SERVICE OF THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF KRISHNA. 

When one is freed from material connections in this way, his body immediately becomes spiritual, and Krishna accepts His service. However, Krishna does not accept anything from a person with a material conception of life.

Note: ONLY a Mahabhagavata CAN TRANSFER Krishna in another's heart: DIKSHA
your constitutional position ETERNAL SERVITIOR (SVARUPA) IS REVEALED when YOU SEE Krishna. When it is dark you can NOT see who YOU are but when SUN comes out YOU can SEE who YOU are.

Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.18 -

Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krishna in the Womb

As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was TRANSFERRED from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, BUT BY DIKSHA, INITIATION. THUS THE IMPORTANCE OF INITIATION IS MENTIONED HERE. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE’S OWN HEART.

SB 4.29.79 - Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi

SELF-REALIZATION, UNDERSTANDING ONESELF AS BRAHMAN, OR SPIRIT SOUL, IS VERY DIFFICULT IN THE MATERIAL CONDITION. However, if we accept the devotional service of the Lord, the Lord will gradually reveal Himself. In this way the progressive devotee will gradually realize his spiritual position. We cannot see anything in the darkness of night, not even our own selves, but when there is sunshine we can see not only the sun but everything within the world as well.

Lectures, April 27, 1974, Hyderabad

So actually, this is the problem of living entities. That knowledge can be acquired in the human form of life and it can be solved, not that simply we get the knowledge, but it can be solved. So therefore, real business of human life, to understand oneself, that is called self-realization, brahma-bhuta, and find out the remedy and act accordingly. 

That is the mission of human life. Not like to dance like cats and dogs with a nice dress. That is not human life. This is the subject matter of Bhagavad-gita, our whole Vedic instruction. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah. This is God consciousness, Krishna consciousness, or self-realization. 

SELF-REALIZATION MEANS EITHER YOU SEE YOURSELF OR SEE THE SUPREME LORD, EITHER WAY. BUT WITHOUT SEEING THE SUPREME LORD, YOU CANNOT SEE YOURSELF. Just like without seeing the sun in the darkness… Just like it is now night. There is no sun. So I cannot see also. In darkness I cannot see also myself. But when there is sun in the morning, I can see the sun and I can see myself also. This is the theory. So if we want to understand ourselves rightly, that “I am spirit soul,” aham brahmasmi, then we must take to Krishna consciousness.

Letter: Vilasavigraha, January 22, 1969

IN REGARD TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION, SELF REALIZATION MEANS GOD REALIZATION, AND GOD REALIZATION MEANS SELF REALIZATION. JUST LIKE TO SEE THE SUN MEANS TO SEE ONESELF, AND TO SEE ONESELF MEANS TO SEE THE SUN. SELF REALIZATION DEPENDS COMPLETELY UPON GOD REALIZATION, OR ELSE IT IS NOT COMPLETE. ONE MUST KNOW HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO FULLY KNOW HIS POSITION.

Note: Srila Prabhupada gives Divya-jnana (DIKSHA). Divya means TRANSCENDENTAL and Jnana means KNOWLEDGE. Hrde means heart and prokasito means revealed just as in prakasa – manifested Krishna becomes manifest in the heart of the Pure Devotee.

Lectures, July 11, 1976, New York

Prabhupada: Divya-jnana hrde prokasito. What is that divya-jnana? Divya-jnana is that we are all SERVANT OF KRISHNA, and our only business is to serve Krishna. Divya-jnana. This is divya-jnana. It is not difficult at all. Simply we have… We have become servant of so many things -- servant of society, servant of community, servant of country, servant of wife, servant of children, servant of dog and so many. “Now let me become servant of Krishna.” THIS IS DIVYA-JNANA. DIKSA MEANS FROM THIS DIVYA-JNANA. That is di. And ksa means ksapayati, expands.

When at the stage of Madhyama Adhikari one is RECIPIENT of THAT Diksha in the HEART from SRILA PRABHUPADA he becomes a SERVANT OF KRISHNA. He relishes a particular mellow (Rasa) of his relationship with Krishna. This point HE SEES KRISHNA and HIS RELATIONSHIP (svarupa) is established. So it is not so CHEAP to be Diksha guru.

Madhya 8.83 - Talks Between Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Ramananda Raya
The purport in presenting this verse necessitates explaining the comparative positions of the transcendental mellows known as SANTA, DASYA, SAKHYA, VATSALYA AND MADHURYA. All these rasas, or mellows, are situated on the TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM. Pure devotees take shelter of one of them and thus progress in spiritual life. 

ACTUALLY ONE CAN TAKE SHELTER OF SUCH SPIRITUAL MELLOWS ONLY WHEN ONE IS COMPLETELY UNCONTAMINATED BY MATERIAL ATTACHMENT. WHEN ONE IS COMPLETELY FREE FROM MATERIAL ATTACHMENT, THE FEELINGS OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL MELLOWS ARE AWAKENED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THAT IS SVARUPA-SIDDHI, THE PERFECTION OF ONE’S ETERNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUPREME LORD. 

Svarupa-siddhi, the eternal relationship with the Supreme Lord, may be situated in one of the transcendental mellows.

Note: ONE spiritual master who CAN transfer Krishna in your heart is Maha-Bhagavata. Kanistha is incapable and Madhyama is the RECIPIENT of Diksha. Madhyama is MIDDLE stage so he does NOT give Diksha he is the RECIPIENT of Diksha.

Krishna Book 80 - The Meeting of Lord Krishna with Sudama Brahmana
Our next spiritual master is he who initiates us into transcendental knowledge, and he is to be worshiped as much as I am. The spiritual master may be more than one. 

The spiritual master who instructs the disciples about spiritual matters is called shiksha-guru, and the spiritual master who initiates the disciple is called diksha-guru. Both of them are My representatives. THERE MAY BE MANY SPIRITUAL MASTERS WHO INSTRUCT, BUT THE INITIATOR SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ONE.

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**Topic**-Tribulation in the Service of Krsna - the Cost of Successful Preaching.......

Prabhupada: So when I was publishing this Back to Godhead from Delhi, one day one bull thrashed me, and I fell down on the footpath and I got severe injury. I was alone. So I was thinking, "What is this?" So I had many days of very tribulations, but it was all meant for good. So don't be afraid of tribulations. You see? Go forward. Krsna will give you protection. That is Krsna's promise in the Bhagavad-gita. [Bg. 9.31]

[He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.]>>> Ref. VedaBase => Lecture -- April 17, 1969, New York

Prabhupada: One who has taken Krsna as the Supreme Lord, Krsna as the Supreme Person, he has to tolerate so many things -- so many criticism, so many tribulations.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 7.1 -- January 13, 1973, Bombay

Prabhupada: Because a devotee has to suffer so many tribulation. That is the history of all devotees. But he's never angry. He's never angry. Then he falls down. Just like Lord Jesus Christ. He was being crucified; he still, he was praying, "God, these people, they do not know what they are doing." Never angry. If he becomes angry, then who he'll preach? >>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.2 -- April 13, 1975, Hyderabad

Prabhupada: This is maya's arrangement. Maya, as soon as she sees that "This man is going out of my hand," she will put so many tribulations, and we have to tolerate them.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.32 -- November 19, 1976, Vrndavana

Prabhupada: So in every kind of miseries we have to depend on Krishna and we should not be too much disturbed when such miseries come upon us. You have shown very great example in sticking yourself to chanting Hare Krishna while you were in tribulation. Follow this practice all along your life, and surely Krishna will accept you into the Kingdom of God, Back to Godhead.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Upendra -- Los Angeles 13 February, 1968

Prabhupada: A devotee is pleased when there is difficulty, for in these difficulties he is forced to remember Krsna. We cannot expect that the people of Kali-yuga will welcome our attempt to spread Krsna consciousness. It is just like a lunatic asylum: The patients are running around madly and when the doctor tries to give them treatment, they insist that they are not crazy. Sometimes the patient even strikes the doctor. So our task is like that. We cannot stand to see people suffering due to ignorance.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: German Disciples -- Bombay May 6, 1977

Prabhupada: So devotees, even they are in distressed condition, they know, "It has come due to my bad activities in the past. It will go away. Let me suffer and finish it." Just like if you become, all of a sudden, infected with some disease. So what? You'll go mad? No. You know that "I have infected this disease. Let me suffer a few days. It will go." That's all. This is the mentality of the devotees. They are not disturbed. And if he's not disturbed, then he's fit for becoming liberated.>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- September 18, 1973, Bombay

Prabhupada: Caitanya Mahaprabhu advises We must be tolerant like the tree and humble like the blade of grass. Such persons can chant the Hare Krishna mantra and preach. In Bombay we are undergoing so many tribulations. What can be done?>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Subala -- Bombay 25 November, 1974

India Testimony / Ukraine Guru Quits / Re-initiation / Molesting Lawsuit 04 14 24

Challenging The Boss Does Not End Well 

INDIA FEMALE TESTIMONY

Hi mr. PADA. I saw that u share stories of dark side of isckon. Well I am also a victim of manipulation and spiritual bimbofication. My name is ******, I am 18 and I live in kanpur in uttar pradesh. I went to isckon kanpur on my birthday and honestly I loved the place. I wanted to buy something as a souvenir on my birthday so I asked some people some questions. 

Then a boy who is a "vaishnava devotee" comes to me and starts explaining stuff about karma, Krishna consciousness and everything and like told me to buy bhagwad Geeta and also asked for my number so that he can include me in some group. I agreed with him and gave him my number. 

He then made me join a particular group and he used to talk to me. After some time he proposed me and I didn't know anything, so I was like let's give it a shot and although isckon says illicit sex is banned he used to talk about vulgar stuff to me and even talking about meeting him somewhere outside the temple. 

I eventually told him not to talk to me -- and broke up with him then also he used to stick around manipulate me that u will take multiple births and never reach godhead. He even was trying to convince me that I should marry him and start living with him in an ashram. 

He used to drink, smoke and do everything and put restrictions on me for the slightest of things. He used to force me to attend Japa sessions and all of that stuff. Slowly I stopped and he added me in multiple groups. When I stopped his behaviour became very harsh he was extremely rude and everything. 

Slowly I quit all the groups got calls from multiple people and lots of so called matajis telling me stuff. In the end I found out he was a sick creep who used to pretend super spiritual while drinking smoking having multiple girls who were at least 10 years to 15 years younger than him, and he was around 28. 

The manipulation has left me drained from inside and scared too. Plus he is not the only one is isckon kanpur who is like this. There are plenty of people there who prey on us young girls, brainwash them, and make them do disgusting stuff. Please highlight this topic through your blog.

NAME WITHELD

PADA: If anyone has further info on this situation, send to:

angel108b@yahoo.com 

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Russian GBC ISKCON guru does not accept disciples from Ukraine.

The following message is secretly sent out among Ukrainian senior devotees:

"Dear devotees. Please accept my respectful obeisances.

Due to the difficult situation in Ukraine, His Grace Chaitanya Chandra Charan Prabhu, together with the GBC Executive Committee, decided to suspend receiving initiations and pranam mantras for his disciples and candidates located Ukraine.
Your servant Devakinandan Dasa."

This Russian guru, a disciple of Jayapataka, previously spoke out FOR Russia devotees to serve in the Russian army -- if they were mobilized for a war with Ukraine. After this, Ukrainian devotees became very angry with him, and some of his disciples from Ukraine even began to reject him as a guru. 

Now it is obvious that bodily identified hatred has reached such a point that the Russian guru stopped accepting Ukrainian disciples in principle, selecting them on the basis of nationality. That is their spirituality.

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BUY ONE GET TWO FREE

THE PRINCIPLE OF RE-INITIATION IS IMPLEMENTED 

Jayapataka had found an obscure prescription for the practice of re-initiation in Sri Krishna- bhajanamrta by Narahari Thakura and the GBC approved of it. However, nowhere did Srila Prabhupada mention anything in his teachings even remotely similar to re-initiation. It was just a convenient technique adopted by the zonals to deal with the issue of guru falldowns, providing a crude method to clean up the mess their own policies had created. 

Many devotees were reinitiated 2, 3, 4 or more times in the 1980’s. When Jayatirtha defected to Sridhara Maharaja and was then expelled as ISKCON GBC and guru, and even as a member, his zone was given to Bhagavan das Goswami, who flew to England from France. He went about solidifying his control and ensuring the loyalty of the local leaders, changing many of them to his own disciples. 

Then he gave a week’s deadline to Jayatirtha’s disciples to take reinitiation from him or leave. It was a very traumatic time, difficult and heart - wrenching for those who had been sold on the lie that Jayatirtha and the zonal acharyas were pure devotees. Unfortunately, from 1982 onwards until the present, this drama has continued to play out in ISKCON again and again, as ISKCON’s unauthorised gurus fall down from the shastrically - dictated standards, and their disciples are courted by other gurus for re-initiation or “shelter.”

SRILA PRABHUPADA CAN GIVE SHELTER BUT NOT INITIATION? 

When a guru falls down or is otherwise no longer qualified as an initiating guru, the GBC will remove him and issue a standard letter of condolences and advice to the disappointed disciples of that former guru. For example, when in 2016 Gunagrahi Swami, an ISKCON approved guru since 2012, announced that he had an addiction for pornography and thus was resigning as guru, the GBC issued a statement via Bhakticharu Swami with this excerpt: 

“We want to assure you that, since you were duly initiated in accordance with ISKCON law, you are in good spiritual standing. Whether you continue to take shelter, guidance and siksha from Gunagrahi Prabhu [no longer Swami?] is entirely up to you. We encourage you, especially at this time, to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and his instructions, as His Divine Grace is the preeminent siksha guru for all ISKCON devotees. 

"We also encourage you to seek guidance of other senior devotees in ISKCON. As long as you continue to take guidance from Srila Prabhupada and his sincere followers and remain strict in your spiritual practices, you will be safe and secure under Lord Krishna’s protection.”

In other words: do not worry that your initiating guru watches pornography because ISKCON “law” says that such an initiation is still “valid,” and besides, Srila Prabhupada is still there, but only as siksha guru. Whether your diksha initiation actually happened, or whether it is still intact, are unanswered questions that hopefully no one will not know to ask. 

Generally these questions do not arise, and this speaks to the poor quality of intelligence and independent thinking capabilities of today’s ISKCON devotees. They say that one’s siksha guru generally becomes one’s diksha guru- so why is Srila Prabhupada excepted? (see Book Two)” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories, 1.554)

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Lord Narasimgha.

So nobody can kill God. The demons, Godless society, they simply want to kill God. But actually, God is never killed, but the demon is killed by God. That is the law of nature. This is the instruction from Prahlad Maharaj’s life. We can understand that as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, mrtyuh sarva-haras caham. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that “I am also death in the shape of taking away everything, whatever you possess.” We are very much proud of possessing material things, material acquisition, but when Krishna comes… just like Maharaj, Prahlad Maharaj saw Hiranyakasipu. His father also saw Nrsimhadeva. 

This Hiranyakasipu was very clever as the materialists, scientists, are very clever. Cleverly they are inventing so many things. What is the idea? The idea is “We shall live forever and enjoy sense gratification more and more.” This is called atheistic advancement of civilization. So Hiranyakasipu was typical materialist. Hiranya means gold, and kasipu means soft bed, cushion. 

So materialist persons, they are very much fond of gold and enjoying sex. That is their business. So Hiranyakasipu is the typical example of this materialistic person. And Prahlad Maharaj, prakrsta-rupena ahlada. Ahlada means transcendental bliss. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhih. Living entities’ real identification is prahlad, blissfulness. But on account of material association, we are in miserable condition of life. 

So this Hiranyakasipu wanted to become immortal, and he underwent penances, severe penances, so much so, the whole universe became trembled. So that Brahma, Lord Brahma, had to come to pacify him, “What do you want?” So he wanted to become immortal. Lord Brahma said that “Although I have got very long duration of life…” 

The duration of life of Brahmaji is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh. Sahasra-yuga, one group of yugas… Satya, Treta, Dvapara, Kali… it becomes about forty-three lakhs of years. And multiply these forty-three lakhs of years by one thousand, that duration of time is Brahma’s twelve hours, one day. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam arhad yad brahmano viduh. 

So that Brahma who lives for millions of trillions of years, still, he has to die. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanu-darsanam. Wherever you go within this material world, either in the Brahmaloka or in the Patala-loka, you have to die. That is the problem. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, “Real problem is janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi, birth, death, old age and disease.” Just try to… 

So Hiranyakasipu wanted to solve these in a materialstic way, but that is not possible. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Kaunteya pratijanihi: “Arjuna, you can declare it all over the world that anyone who has taken shelter at My lotus feet, become devotee, he will never be vanquished.” Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. 

So these are the assurances. But the atheist class of men like Hiranyakasipu cannot understand this. That is the defect. They challenge always God. The dissension between the father and the son was that the son was believer in God, Krishna, and the father was not. So at the end the father saw what is God in the form of death. 

At that time he could not save him. So that is the difference between theist and atheist. The atheist always challenges, “Where is God? Can you show me?” Well, you will see. Not now. Just at the maturation of your all sinful activities, when death will come, you will see Him. This is going on.

So it is very instructive lesson, Prahlad Maharaj. Now it is getting late. Otherwise, I would have recited some of the verses recited by Sri Prahlad Maharaj. Prahlad Maharaj is one of our gurus. There are twelve gurus, or mahajana.

svayambhur naradah sambhuh
kaumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakhir vayam
(Srimad-Bhagavatam, 6.3.20)

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Child Molesting Lawsuit Update

PADA: Sorry prabhu, I did not have anything to do with the wording of the court case, the molested children had been told that Srila Prabhupada wanted them to be in the GBC guru program. I never said that and I was not in charge of ISKCON and those making these policies. 

The children were taking their lives at that stage, and we had to stop that. And the pedophile guru system and Mathura Pati types were saying that having children leave their bodies is acceptable. They wanted the body count to increase. Also hundreds of kids were pulled out of their schools, and they wanted them to stay there and suffer more mistreatment. 

So they wanted children to suffer, and leave their bodies, and that is what they have said all along, we should not have helped these kids, let them be mistreated and leave their bodies. That would have eventually been even worse publicity. 

Mathura Pati types never explain why they are authorized to promote a system where children are mistreated and leave their bodies, which is what the GBC wanted. Anyway, to say I am a liar is what the GBC says, they are their parrots. 

But yeah, even the victims here tell me, the GBC / IRM / Mathura Pati club wanted all of us to all be left in their schools and then leaving our bodies, they are with the regime. The regime says PADA and us victims are all liars, because that is how pedophile cults oppress complaints. Just look at the videos below if you want to see what happens to victims of the program Mathura Pati types now say "is all PADA's lies." 

Sorry, the victims are not liars, their oppressors are. As soon as they found out hundreds of kids were pulled from GBC schools, and the suicides went down, then the GBC defenders like Mathura Pati all started crying "oh no, someone has stopped our mass molesting and suicide program." He is crying that children were saved from abuse and suicides, so -- yeah, whose side is he on? Various victims tell me, we know whose side he is on, and it is not ours.    

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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ISKCON Motivation Speakers / Reduced Guru Puja / PADA is a Liar Update 04 13 24

"I am the sole source of everyone.

You must take shelter of ME.

There is no other shelter."

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Thanks RD:

ISKCON's "Motivational Speakers" -- borrowed from these guys?

 

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REDUCED GURU PUJA?

KKD: A devotee I knew very well became an approved initiating guru in ISKCON. One day I asked him what difference he felt before and after becoming a ‘guru.’ His first response was that his words took on an absolute quality for his disciples. He’s careful about what he says. 

PADA: A devotee told me his guru is speaking slower and slower and slower over the years, because he is realizing everything he says is being recorded so he is trying to be extra careful what he says. 

It’s why we see disciples recording every word of their gurus. Whereas sastra says that an acarya should never be considered ordinary, in many cases, ordinary devotees become a ‘guru’ along with absolute expectations for disciples. Disciples inevitably turn their ‘gurus’ into the extraordinary, but the devotees who become ‘guru’ remains the same person before and after becoming ‘guru.’

This individual I knew remained a ‘guru’ for only a couple of years, but he was exalted by his disciples just as all other disciples did with their gurus. For instance, are there any records of Srila Prabhupada demanding that there be huge, extravagant and prolonged Vyasa-puja celebrations for his own gurudeva Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? 

He certainly had the resources and means to do this, but did he? Why not? If Srila Prabhupada didn’t indulge in extravagant guru worship of his own guru, why does it happen in ISKCON with far less qualified ‘gurus?’

Granted! Devotees are not exactly ordinary people if they’re dedicating their lives for Krishna, yet we’re adept at making the slightly above ordinary into the super most extraordinary in ISKCON. Why? ‘Gurus’ who can’t get past anartha-nivritti aren’t extraordinary are they.

The GBC has supposedly toned down the scale of guru worship, but disciples have a knack of pushing boundaries and doing bigger and better guru worship because they do not see their ‘gurus’ as ordinary.

This outdoing of Srila Prabhupada’s simple heart-to-heart connection with his spiritual master started with the zonal acarya system. Guru worship today is as extravagant as it was then in some cases. Not much has changed and the absolute quality of the words of often struggling ‘gurus’ is part of the problem. If guru worship was as simple as how Srila Prabhupada showed by his example, a lot of money could be spent on more essential needs.

Ys KK Dasa 

PADA: We reduced our pooja, but in Los Angeles we are having a big Guru Puja for Jayapataka, leader of the pedophile lover's program in Mayapur. 


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The Sampradaya Acharya

AD: WE ACCEPT THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA, THEN WHAT EVER HE DOES BECOMES THE LAW OR BECOMES THE STANDARD. “ACT AS RITTVIK” WAS HIS ORDER. THAT CANNOT BE DENIED. ISK-CON AND THE DONKEY CLASS OF MEN, THE GBC, NEGLECTED THIS AND TOOK AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. THAT HAS PROVED TO BE DISASTEROUS. NOW THEY WANT TO CONCOCT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. WHY NOT JUST FOLLOW THE ORDER?

Well, it does not PAY to follow the order. Each temple is a Corporation and rubber-stamped gurus are placed as the owners of the corporation. The ISK-CON devotees are simply supporting the corporation and the DONKEY CLASS OF MEN, the gurus, who run the corporations. This is what is called the GURU BUSINESS. 

The corporation and DONKEY Class of gurus are the only beneficiaries. Not the Krishna consciousness movement nor the Isk-Con devotees.

These sahajiyas [pretenders] who decry the teachings of Lord Krishna and the sampradaya Acharya Srila Prabhupada, have no intention, nor do they have the ability, to take you back home back to godhead.

In Chaitanya-charitamrita, Madhya-lila, Chapter Seven, text 126 & 127 Lord Chaitanya’s method of preaching and Prabhupada’s comments regarding the process of preaching Lord Chaitanya practiced while traveling throughout South India (a period of about two years) are very necessary for all devotees to study and understand clearly.

The brahmana named Kurma begged Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, “My dear Lord, kindly show me favour and let me go with You. I can no longer tolerate the waves of misery caused by materialistic life.”

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu replied, “Don’t speak like that again. Better to remain at home and chant the holy name of Krishna always.

One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Srimad Bhagavatam, that would be good. One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat eating, gambling and intoxication.

The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Krishna consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in His advice to the brahmana Kurma. That is, one should stay at home, chant the Hare Krishna mantra and preach the instructions of Krishna AS THEY ARE given in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu further advised the brahmana Kurma, “If you follow this instruction, your materialistic life at home will not obstruct your spiritual advancement. Indeed, if you follow these regulative principles, we will again meet here, or, rather, you will NEVER LOSE MY COMPANY.”

This is an opportunity for everyone. If one simply follows the instructions of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, under the guidance of His representative, SRILA PRABHUPADA and chants the Hare Krishna mantra, teaching everyone a far as possible the same principle, the contamination of the materialistic way of life will not even touch him. It does not matter whether one lives in a HOLY PLACE like Vrindavana, Navadwipa or Jagnnatha Puri or in the midst of European cities where the materialistic way of live is very prominent. 

If a devotee follows the instructions of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he lives in THE COMPANY OF THE LORD. Wherever he lives, he converts that place into Vrindavan and Navadwipa. This means that materialism CONNOT TOUCH HIM. This is the secret of success for one advancing in Krishna consciousness.

Now there are 250 gurus. Srila Prabhupada was ONE guru. We know what he has done In 16 years. What have all these 250 new gurus done? Have they done 250 times as much as Srila Prabhupada? Have they done 10 times as much? Have they done twice as much? Have they done anything?!!!

Many things were never done before. Ramanujacharya engaged dacoits for collection, then had them killed. Madhvacharya pummeled his opponents. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang and danced in public–never done before by sannyasis. Buddha rejected the Vedas. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada created a GBC to manage his preaching mission, leaving no successor acharya , as was traditionally done. Srila Prabhupada made the same arrangement. 

In both instances, the order was DISOBEYED, and in both instances the result was the same–CHAOS, CONFUSION and DISINTEGRATION of the Acharya’s mission. Great acharyas like Srila Prabhupada do establish the principles of religion according to Time, Place and Circumstances.

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PADA IS A LIAR UPDATE

MRD: Isnt criticizing devotees who dedicate their lives to spread the holy names an offense to the holy name? I see this sanga very sincere by the fact those books are authorized by Srila Prabhupada! To those who are going on book distribution and harinan Sankirtan Srila Prabhupada has a special place in his heart.

PADA: Well great, but the GBC people also distribute books and do harinama. Mathura Pati has said that I should not have helped the child mistreatment victims and their lawsuit, which helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of GBC schools, and stopped the epidemic of the victims taking their lives. And he has wrote on his site saying I am bogus for saving these children, and his works are being circulated now by various GBC guru people. 

He furthermore has blocked and removed the statements from Srila Prabhupada where he says we should print the original way, and not the "rascal editors" way. He is banning the statements of Srila Prabhupada about what is an original book. So he is distributing books, which is good, but he does not agree with Srila Prabhupada about what is an original book. 

And he is saying that stopping child mistreatment is a deviation, which is exactly what the GBC people argue. Srila Prabhupada never said that stopping children from being mistreated is a deviation, he said it is our duty to make sure there is none. ys pd

MRD: Mathura Pati Das can't read what youre writing. This is not vaisnava ettiquete.

PADA: He can write me anytime at my e-mail if he has any comment. When he was discussing with me on FB, he said over and over and over and over and over that my stopping children from being mistreated is a crazy and foolish deviation, and I am a liar etc. and his writings are now being circulated by GBC people. I already know what the GBC people say since 1978 and I don't need to see someone repeating them all day long. 

All he ever says is what Tamal says, and I do not have time to waste on Tamal's disciples, I have a lot of other things going on. Saying that I am a liar is also what the GBC says, and name calling is not allowed in actual debates. He needs to make a substantial argument why his plan of allowing child mistreatment to continue and not have me check it -- is bona fide, and he never does. 

When he has something concrete to add, he can send it to me. Anyone who uses name calling in an actual debates is blocked and removed, it is not allowed even in karmi debates. But yeah, he is saying is it all lies when I am representing thousands of victims, that means he is calling the victims liars. He is doing what Tamal does. ys pd

MRD: He has anything to do with the gbc. And people know that... Anyway. Thanks for the reply...

PADA: Wrong. His writings against me are being circulated by GBC people. He is writing papers used by them. So right away, you are not being factual. Told ya! ys pd

MRD: His writings ? Which ones?

PADA: He has made posts against me, on his site, and the GBC folks are circulating links to his site, and sending to me and others. His writings are being used by GBC people, and his writings say that the thousands of children I represent and me are liars. That is what the GBC says the whole time. That is the prime defense of child mistreatment cults, the victims and their advocates are liars. ys pd

MRD: You both are tagged here. You have more in common...

PADA: No, we have nothing in common with the people calling children victims and their advocates liars, that is how he and his pals enable mass child mistreatment. It is a felony crime to suppress and block complaints of child abuse in the USA. He is a criminal, at least by karmi standards.

And no, he blocks the quotes we give from Prabhupada about original books. He does not even know what an original books is, and he won't allow the quote on that topic either. ys pd

MRD: smh

Rosalba Rukmini Ramana: Mathura Pati said that Srila Prabhupada did not translate properly from sanskrit the part I am going to post here about the globe planet earth. Mathura Pati is the one of the fools re-translating the original Srila Prabhupada book in deuch? Another Hridayananda in the ritvik field.

PADA: And Mathura Pati has been working with Purujit, who quotes Jayadvaita that we have to make another Gita, and he made one. We only accept the MAC 72 version that we all use .... and Prabhupada used. Purujit making another version is the same thing the GBC does. Birds of a feather. ys pd

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PADA: Thanks MMD: "PADA is a liar." Worked good for them ... in the 1980s. That is when they had thousands of people to say that. One by one ... they all dropped away. They are mostly all gone. Many of them ... not even on the planet anymore. 

Now there is just a small handful remaining saying that. They got left holding the bag. Feel sorry for them. They just don't get it. Someone has to tell them "Johnny is a liar" is kindergarten level debate. It won't work among mature adults. I don't know even where the lies are, since ... all the things we talked about ... have been proven as facts. ys pd     

Namarasa Podcast / Akshaya Patra Awarded / JD on Pedo Cults 04 12 24

 

PADA: Radhanath was a big player in keeping all the New Vrndavana madness going on long after it had gone full on bonkers. And he still is promoting Kirtanananda, for example he helped bury Kirtanananda in a samadhi. The madness never ends. 

I think these Namarasa folks are sympathetic to Radhanath, and that is perhaps why they "disabled comments" on this video. They don't want to hear "the other side of the story" from other eye-witnesses and observers. OK us. They are however correct, the info is all out there now and people who Google it will come across all sorts of stuff, including -- PADA's. The cat is out of the bag.

Someone wrote to me that we should no longer keep picking on Radhanath because he has repented. Where has he ever apologized to Sulochana and us for his role in making us targets? I don't see any repenting here. ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com   

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AD: Perhaps 0% tolerance is simply walking away from any involvement with an institution that has actively worked against finding a better way for families, for children, to learn to love Krsna etc., without it being associated with rape, molestation, murders, theft, beatings, bullying, isolation, exclusion, suicides, intimidation, silencing, disbelief and poisonings.

PADA: Yep, most people did walk away. And that is better than supporting. But they did little to nothing to correct the situation, and that helped the evil influences over the situation deteriorate things FAR worse and worse. Then we ended up having group of fanatical -- and potentially violent -- personality cults, full of many deviations, and even more abominable conditions were allowed to flourish, especially mass child abuse. 

The people who abandoned the ship while the remaining citizens [especially the children] left on board were allowed to endure worse suffering -- if not drowning altogether -- was not a heroic act by any analysis. It has been the duty of all of Prabhupada's disciples to ensure that his legacy was not turned into a nightmare. 

That is not what happened, they did not defend him, his worship, his books, his children, his institution, his deities -- and so it was exploited, infected, and more or less disintegrated. And in large part, destroyed. That would not have happened if more people had stood up to the deviants. ys pd

 

PADA: Lots of GBC type people complain that they don't like Madhu Pandit dasa. No kidding, he is giving Krishna a good name. 

krishna1008: Mathura Pati's "International Hare Krishna Movement" etc. 03 27 24

PADA: Thanks JD. Good question. Why does Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji / Prabhupadanugas EU join the GBC saying that PADA is deviating by saving children from being starved, beaten, molested, and raped? Yes, that would mean, allowing children to be mistreated is bona fide and worse -- "what Srila Prabhupada and Krishna wanted," which is why we had to sue his pedo club for $400,000,000 -- to save more victims from getting tossed into their regime.   

No normal person thinks that saving children from being mistreated and even raped is a deviation, except these GBC pedo loving guys. I agree. They are a pedophile club, and that is what even the mundane media people have told me is -- correct. 

They also do not like Madhu Pandit, because he is feeding millions of children and helping them. It is a pattern.

He says that he has "unmasked PADA as a deviation" -- because we saved numerous children from being mistreated. Saving children from being mistreated is a deviation for the members of their pedo cult, and that is why the GBC molester messiah's team's people are sending me his writings now, they are a pedo loving team.   

Yes, but the good news is -- 9999.9999 percent of the human society, the police, the FEDS, the courts, the media, and actually all normal moral people, are on my side and not theirs. Their pedo club is being dismantled as we speak, and many new people are joining the PADA team to expose, counter and fix their molester cult all the time. 

And yeah, he always smiles and jokes about the PADA issue of children being in Auschwitz, just like Tamal and his other mentors also did. People suffering is always a comedy hour for these folks. He acts like them, talks like them, writes like them, jokes about this issue like them. They are a team. And that is why GBC people are now sending me his writings, they are all on the same side of this issue.

And yeah, someone said they should be exposed more widely, even with government child welfare and other agencies in EU and Germany, and these people are working on exposing him to some of agencies there now, as the leader and chief defender of a pedo loving cult, and thus he wants to dismantle and discredit the people exposing his pedo cult. For example, he says we are liars, to discredit all the thousands of children victims of his cult that we represent. 

But yes, it should be understood, the pedo lover's club started all this, and we are simply defending ourselves, which is our God given Bhagavad Gita right. But further than that, we have actually a God given duty to oppose these pedo loving cults.   

ys pd 

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